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Message de Mrtnw - Envoyé le 01 Jun 11:00 |
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Apparently AF 447 from Rio to Paris is missing.
Should have landed 11:15am at CDG, but is still scheduled . Media report no communication was possible since 8am.
With just a communication issue the plane should be at Paris now (1pm) which makes this sounds like a mid air incident...
Hope someone has some good news....
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Message de Mrtnw - Envoyé le 01 Jun 11:03 |
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Message de Ah B - Envoyé le 01 Jun 11:17 |
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Message de Mabel - Envoyé le 01 Jun 14:54 |
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 01 Jun 15:36 |
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I cant imagine that lightning would have bought the bird down. I'.m not going to assume nothing but I can onlysay that Globo news here in REC are saying that there was no Mayday called so I can only beileve it could be structure failure or a bomb. If the CPT knew of severe thunderstorm activity he could have diverted or flown around it.
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Message de Moogy64 - Envoyé le 01 Jun 17:03 |
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 01 Jun 20:08 |
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In addition to my comment above. This time of year is our winter if you like. During this period we get some monumental rains and thunder sttorms which build up over the Atlantic. i remember once on a flight fom LIS to REC about an hour and a half before landing the Cpt hit the seat belt light and it was awfull for about 45 mins. Lightning all around us and real bad turbulance. The cpt did go around the cells but nevertheless a bumpy trip. Apparantly its like that all the time this time of year
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 01 Jun 20:23 |
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Moogy64 I agree with you about some sick person regestering as having been on this flight. The same thing happened when the Turkish 737 went down short of AMS and I sent an email to airfleets.net and had it taken off. I will do the same with this one.
This is for so many people one of the sadest days of their lives having lost loved ones and some plonker seems to see the funny side of it.
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Message de Mabel - Envoyé le 01 Jun 21:11 |
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Message de Spookeytookey - Envoyé le 01 Jun 21:33 |
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i am shocked by this tragedy also knowing the safety record of the A330-200 i cannot believe this was turbulnce weather or the like...theres somehing else a miss
i thing there will be a search of the area where the plane went dow, they are usually pretty good at finding the FDR
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 02 Jun 10:15 |
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Message de Boeing Boy Nat - Envoyé le 02 Jun 15:41 |
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Message de Mabel - Envoyé le 02 Jun 20:05 |
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 02 Jun 21:45 |
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Message de Mabel - Envoyé le 03 Jun 23:01 |
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Message de Mrtnw - Envoyé le 03 Jun 5:27 |
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Message de DEMIS - Envoyé le 03 Jun 8:54 |
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It seems that the spot where the plane went down has been located , being well in the Atlantic , which means that locating and recovering the FDR will be a project itself of monumental efforts , whilst technology wlii have to be pushed beyond its limits.
I just flew back (a day before the accident) on a 332 (DME-DXB) and I can't believe that this magnificent bird , can be torn apart , just like that , from a thunderstorm.
I believe that all options should be considered , but whatever it was , must have been spontaneous , so that no distress calls made.
Let's hope that we shall somehow learn the real reason in the near future .
May the souls of these 228 people rest in peace ....
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 03 Jun 9:59 |
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 03 Jun 12:25 |
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Very true FLX and there are other fourums that discuss the fact that 4 is better than 2. In this case you could have had 16 8 on each with and it wouldn't do nothing.
Mrtnw. Sorry I am not sure if it was a 300 or a 200.
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 03 Jun 14:36 |
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speedbird9468:
Yes, U're absolutely right. I'm aware of the decades-long debate among aviation enthusiasts re twin vs quad engines for long range flights. As far as manufacturers+airlines+environmental advocates are concerned, that debate was over long time ago when Airbus planned the 350 family as a replacement for both the 330+340 families(And Boeing much earlier with the 777 family). In the foreseeable future, only ultra-large airliner families such as 380 and 748i will hv 4 engines.
Personally, I think that debate is a bit like whether 3person cockpit is better than 2person cockpit.....it depends on when U ask the question: now or 30-40yrs ago. Isn't tech progress/maturity a wonderful thing?
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 03 Jun 18:14 |
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Yes Technololgy is a wonderfull thing But the person who invented Vista didn`t think of that. What was this I read on another thread that someone was saying they are a suvivor. What a sad F****r. I hope he goes to hell for saying that. Completely out of order. I just hope those people aboard the stricken A330 didn`t suffer much and they all went to a peaceful end. May they rest in peace and God bless the families of those who are in bereavment at these harrowing times. My deepest condoloences to you all.
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Message de Mabel - Envoyé le 03 Jun 18:43 |
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 04 Jun 2:02 |
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Well in my opinion it could be a possibility. A very slim one. I noticed that there was fuel floating on the sea surface. Does that indicate that the wings would have been intact before the impact? A friend of mine who works for EK has commented that on the flight from Dubai to Sao Paulo the security is rather lacksidasicle. If this is the case could terrorists be targetting airports like this to fly bombs over the their targets. Its just a though. I won't say the noun my friend used to describe the security checks here.
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Message de DEMIS - Envoyé le 04 Jun 14:05 |
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I read some minutes ago , that there was not one but a series of auto-generated signals sent before the permanent silence . Could this substantiate the detonation of a bomb ? May be a pilot could answer on this .
But seems a possibility ... although if the plane was disintegrated in the air by a killer thunderstorm , may be the wings fell downwards intact and hence the big kerosene slick.
I presume we are going to speculate a lot , until something rationally possible is found.
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 04 Jun 16:11 |
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We have been saying for some time now that there are more and more reports of airliners being suddenly hit by turbulent weather such as never before and this would seem to be one of these ever increasing incidents. Lightning, upper atmosphere winds and up drafts of well over 100mph are reported to have at the one time struck this airliner and with pressure upon it from all directions the pressure has torn it apart.
Speedbird9468 ther was an entry in the flight log by some sick person claiming to have been on this flight. I emailed him direct and told him a few home truths but he has not come back to me.
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Message de VH-CMH - Envoyé le 04 Jun 16:13 |
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 04 Jun 16:51 |
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 06 Jun 19:52 |
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 07 Jun 1:18 |
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Message de Binni - Envoyé le 07 Jun 16:10 |
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No Pilot should underestiate the power of these weather conditions. And with the reported cloud coverage of up to 52000 feet, I would have had another cup of coffee and waited. I have seen an aircraft fly into something similar and come out all dented and with broken windshields. But to be completely destroyed??-very hard to believe. Very tragig indeed
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Message de Vivien - Envoyé le 07 Jun 16:12 |
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It's strange just after the crash and white flash seen by 2 pilots and a passenger of a spanish bird the last view of AF A 332, for the 2009 Pentecote !?
Why M. Ossama BIN LADEN has been spkeaking, as he is dead since 7 years according the President of PAKISTAN last month!?
It' remember me an AF crash over VENENEZUELA on 1981, where under the seats of communist Ministers of President Francois MITTERRAND, some explosive used by the CIA was found out under the seats, according the 4 widows of the 3 pilots an the flying assistant engeneer!?
In God & in WEB we trust, AMEN to find out the truth, like for www.Reopen911info, for the peace in the world, when President BARAK want to turn the page about BUSH without to read the page as AGUIRRE, où la colère de Dieu !?
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Message de M-BASS™ - Envoyé le 07 Jun 17:43 |
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 07 Jun 21:30 |
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 08 Jun 8:38 |
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 08 Jun 9:51 |
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I am thinking along the same lines as you are FLX. This is a modern state of the art aeroplane with computerised systems that report by light indication, sound and verbal alert on everything that takes place that is not right for the aircraft so unless there was some major electronic failure why did the crew not have the time to send out messages or even an S.O.S. Mayday call.
One of the things that I have been looking at is the reports of the 125 mph up draught of very moist air which along with the turbulance this would create, the water in the air would freeze instantly and this would further add to the distress of the airliner.
Weather reports for the area were not good and why did the bars not plan a route around this weather or sit in until it had passed. There is far too much commercial pressure on pilots today to get out on time unlike the good old days when safety came top rather than published on time statistics. The Captain is in charge and he must be the one who decides when to go and when to stay regardless of accountants and statastitions back at base camp who know nothing of the dangers faced when a wrong decision is made.
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 08 Jun 11:38 |
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Unfortuntately even the best make mistakes. As for growing presure on crews. I believe that althought maybe not in this case it won't be long before a pilot of a large plane actually does doze of at the helm. Pressure from the airlines is growing everyday. Unfortunately us the general public love to be on time. If there is a delay because of a tec or crew problem I'd rather wait the extra few hours or so until the problem is sorted out within the correct protocols.
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 09 Jun 11:51 |
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speedbird9468:
I recently read an article on FlightGlobal re Tony Tyler(Boss of CathayPacific) complaining about new legislations proposed in Canada to enforce airlines to fully compensate pax for delays/cancellations due to weather. So U're right, the traveling general public fails to realize that flying is still a risky+unpredictable affair both for themselves and their carriers. These days, most tend to think flying is a normal routine no diff than taking a bus/subway/taxi ride. If there're schedule interuptions due to weather, they typically blame it on the operator or wanted to be compensated out of someone else's pocket. It's almost as if they expect airlines are supposed to be able to manage something as unpredictable as weather. In turn, airlines managment simply pass these pressures onto their flight crew in the form of encouraging(Overt or subtle) them to take more risk. After all, it's rarely 100% unsafe to fly even in bad weather conditions.
captain bill:
I could be wrong but I believe the air route used by this AF 332 is not unpopular(Most likely a major route between S.America and EU). During the time of this accident, there must be a few other airliners flying or about to fly near/into the same weather pattern on this route(A TAM pilot was close enough to see <orange dots in the sea> which could be burning wreckage and eventually led the search teams to the current recovery area). Captains of these other airliners essentially made the same decision as the captain of this AF 332 after evaluating risks, yet none of them suffer the same fate. If the weather was completely unsafe, none of them would hv concluded it was sufficiently ok to fly through that area. My guess is that the condition in the general area was marginal but acceptable to the captains and, may be, suddenly turned really bad in certain pockets where this AF 332 crossed......pure bad luck.
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 09 Jun 18:30 |
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Blame it on being fogged in or having to divert. I think thats a bit rich to e honest. Its a natural problem that can happen anywhere in the world. Also wasn't there a Greek 737NG that went down a few years ago due to pilot fatigue. I do'nt recall the correct story?
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 11 Jun 10:00 |
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 11 Jun 13:08 |
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Message de Skymanige - Envoyé le 19 Jun 18:24 |
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Does anyone have any u.t.d. info on thisV the media in here in the UK has gone quiet on the issue. (Some MP has probably claimed on his expenses for a pair of old socks that his wife was seen wearing at a party last week...). I don't mean in anyway to belittle this incident- the news appears to have dried up...
Regards Nige
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 19 Jun 19:44 |
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Here in REC the media are still all over the place. Pieces of debris are found everyday. As for the victims and bodies they have found 50 or so. I think the sharks and large fish have had a party and some of the victims are probabyl stuck in the wreckage. They recently found a piece of the galley.
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Message de Mabel - Envoyé le 19 Jun 20:14 |
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The autopsy reports indicate that it's likely the aircraft exploded or disintegrated in the air well before falling to earth. The bodies examined were in very small pieces consistent with midair trauma rather than in larger pieces consistent with ocean impact trauma. Therefore, terrorism/sabotage could well end up being the cause of this disaster, or at least there's a higher likelihood of it.
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 20 Jun 2:30 |
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We can't assume things like this. But ever since day 1 I have also thought that Mabel. I also think that the powers that be also know the reason already, but, they are not telling us because not to cause chaos of another global crisis...
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Message de Mabel - Envoyé le 20 Jun 15:22 |
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 21 Jun 1:15 |
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Message de M-BASS™ - Envoyé le 02 Jul 20:03 |
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From the latest research it seems that the plane didn't collapse in the air, and most certainly didn't explode in mid air. This was pretty much impossible anyway, given the fact there were large kerosine slicks. Had it been an explosion, the kerosine would've been burned for at least the most part.
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 03 Jul 6:45 |
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 03 Jul 12:59 |
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Yes CPT Bill I did post a comment here but it got deleted. It mentions vertical but in a stall in which case it what be falling vertically but flat or nose down? Could it be that the speed was to high and the controls were so slow to respond that the CPT could'nt regain control. If this was the case then maybe our theories are correct in that it was weather induced and flew into Dead man's coffin. Chaps. Plase note that this is a theory. Ans according to a French politician who was inBrazil mentions that we may never know the the cause
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Message de c6po - Envoyé le 03 Jul 13:33 |
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Imagine...no ADIRU, stall alarm, master caution alarm, master warning alarm, no visibility, AP disconnected, no auto thrust, zero info whatsoever on the flight display ion front of CPT nor F/O, possibly shear wind, all the bips and blinks, and all that inside 60 secs...Taking in account that each checklist for each fault/warning/alarm is about going through 4 pages in average...talking about stress.
www.eurocockpit.com (they often edit english versions)
They analysed the ACARS messages and put them in chronological order, they being pilots, mechanical engineers and trainers. Apparently, the officials of BEA (equivalent of US NTSB) say the plane fell flat in the ocean cuz they found pieces of the a/c bent from the bottom.
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