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Message de Dadu - Envoyé le 16 Jun 4:04 |
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The Soekarno-Hatta Int. Airport (CGK) is about ready to welcome the A380 Superjumbo, October this year in it's brand new terminal 3 building which in construction progress now.. This venue will also built for the LCC Airliners
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 16 Jun 7:01 |
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Kinda of ironic as a 388 and a LCC terminal somehow don't quite fit into the same picture conceptually.
I know this is a special event to celebrate the grand opening of a brand new terminal @ Indonesia's capital airport. However, any terminal specifically designed for LCC ops, by definition, is to hv simplified, cheaper, basic support+services catering to LCCs requirements(e.g. Turnaround in under 30mins: nearly no catering+cleaning, 1 or no jetbridge @ the gate, 737NG/A32x or smaller types). The LCC terminal @ KLIA is a typical example. In contrast, 388 is a big airliner designed primarily for more luxurious full services which in turn, require all conceivable, customized ground services+support @ any terminal(e.g. Gate for extra-wide wingspan, upto 3 jetbridges for boarding, 120mins turnaround).
Well, I guess this 388 visiting CGK T3 may occupy 3-4 of its gates for parking.....and let's hope the taxiways(Again, designed for 737NGs/A32x wingspan) around T3 are wide enough.
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Message de Ari2118 - Envoyé le 18 Jun 5:51 |
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Well, to understand the concept of joining the terminal between 388 aircraft and LCC, we must understand the way of most Indonesian thinking. In Indonesia, everything can do, including join terminal between 388 and LCC. The question is, which airline will send 388 to Soekarno Hatta? Most of airlines are using Changi as the hub.
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 19 Jun 9:29 |
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Being no expert in the Islamic religion, apparently these pilgrimage charter flights between Indonesia and Saudi Arabia generate pretty heavy air traffic per flight on a regular basis yr round(Pilgrims prefer to worship together as a group?). e.g. most of GA's 744s are now used exclusively for this purpose leaving the bulk of GA's other scheduled Int'l flights to their more fuel efficient types such as 333s and 738s. Although I speculate that the fuel cost of these GA 744 pilgrimage flights must some how be partly subsidized by the gov'ts of these 2 core OPEC members where Muslims are the majority, using 744 on the route only make sense when U do hv such huge load of pax per flight consistently. Beyond GA, other foreign charter carriers hv been performing similar pilgrimage flights fm Indonesia for yrs using less efficient older large widebodies such as 742, 743, D10, etc.
I guess the 388 will be like a step-up fm the 744 in the Indonesian pilgrimage charter mkt. Indonesia is the most populous Muslim country in the world and their economy has been boosted tremendously by high oil and commodity prices lately. Wait a second, is that why EK has ordered so many 388s and even more mysteriously, some will be in the Hi-Density, 2-class, regional flight config? Amazing foresight! Since there're many similarities between LCC and charter ops, it may start to make sense for T3 to handle both typical LCC narrowbodies and 388 on charter.
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Message de Spot planes - Envoyé le 22 Jun 15:56 |
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Just landed at CGK this afternoon. T3 as of today is only a steel frame. It is for LCC airlines located between the haji terminal and T1. I did not see any gates that are suitable for A380.
Haji flights are usually low fare. I don't any airlines operating the A380 will offer the A380 for charter.
FYI your truly flew the A380 this January SYD-SIN. In SQ's A380 half of the cabin space is for Suites and Business Class, not suitable for charter.
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Message de EI-DUB - Envoyé le 22 Jun 16:06 |
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Being honest... I'd say they are just parking the thing there for the space... probably not hinting at anything or trying to suggest its future usage, because as Spot planes says, most airlines are going for luxury on this one.. not the sardine can approach!
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 23 Jun 12:42 |
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Yes, I agree most 388 operators will out-fit the cabin in a low-density/premium oriented, extra/ultra-long range config. In fact, SQ very rarely do charter throughout their history anyway.
However, as I hv mentioned earlier, how do we explain the hi-density, 2-class(i.e. Must be the 600+seats/sardine can approach...), regional/medium range layout stated on EK's official 388 fleet plan?
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Message de EI-DUB - Envoyé le 23 Jun 13:45 |
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Message de daz - Envoyé le 23 Jun 20:18 |
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4 the moment,
i cannot see any of the airlines that have ordered the A380-800 to use them on charter routes or charter them out for/during the hajj..
the only airline that might use it for the hajj is as some1 pointed out EK that is using some for high density layout...
if any charter airline does buy an A380 it will b in or normally will b in 1 class or if 2 classes only a few seats in second class (business or eqv). but at moment all the airlines will have the A380's out on scheduled routes, and they have them booked on those routes as soon as the season and the dates they know they get them comes into season.
i.e for summer 09 the airlines will b or have already told all ATC world wide what plane and times for their routes. so QF will get their A380 next year and will be using in may (i think) of next year. they have allready told SYD . ATC and the on routes ATC as well as the stop over ATC as well as londons ATC and the controllers for slots at all airports. etc etc
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 25 Jun 16:20 |
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EI-DUB:
No specific destinations mentioned on EK's statement but your assumption is pretty close as they did say their 2-class 388s will be deployed on Intra-Asia/Medium-Short Range/Regional routes. This kind of config isn't something new to EK. Significant numbers of their 77Ws(Mainly an extra-longhaul design) today are already in hi-density 2-class layouts flying Intra-Asia trunk routes(e.g. BKK-DUB, HKG-BKK, DEL-DUB, etc. and I hv flown in 1 of these) and some European routes. In fact, EK hv said they'll hv a total of 3 configs for their 388s.....consistent+mirroring their config approach to the current 77W/773 fleet.
daz:
When the 1st batch of 741 entered service, none was used for charter initially. Remember the upperdeck lounges on those 747s in the 70s? They quickly disappeared as soon as OPEC decided that oil prices should be higher. By the late 70s, some were even configured to carry 500+pax(i.e. 747SR) and delivered brand new for Japanese domestic trunk routes. No question that the initial batch of 388s will only be in low-density config serving premium long range mkts. However, I see the same role diversification(i.e. Branching into short-medium range, trunk route mkts) will happen to 388 in perhaps 5 to 6yrs as the 747 did in the 70s.
Airport terminals are designed not only for schedules<...at the moment...> or nex yr or even the nex 5yrs. Try to think 388 operators' schedule beyond 2009. After sufficient low-density config 388s are delivered to EK to satisfy the premium long range routes, I bet U we'll start to see 2-class EK 388 sardine cans hopping between Dubai's new mega airport and the gigantic cities in Asia such as those in India+China(Their economies are bound to get even bigger). At that time, hajj charters on 2-class EK 388s departing CGK won't be out of question. Yes, all these are gonna be low yield but the volume will be incredible(Avg size of the largest Asian cities is about 5-15mil, each with only 1 primary Int'l airport!) - a neat alternative to competing with all the other big global airlines now increasingly killing each other over the limited-size, premium long-range mkt segment.
This is why I said EK has amazing foresight+audacity to set themselves up(2-class hi-density 388 is just that perfect instrument) to cash-in on the tidal wave of newly created middle-class air travelers emerging in Asia.
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Message de daz - Envoyé le 30 Jun 21:59 |
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flx..
i never said that they would never be used on charter routes or for charter flts..
i said for the time being they would not b used,,
but EK might... to start with,,
and yes i do agree with u,,
the way the oil price is at the moment,, some airlines might put them on charter routes/flts quicker than others,, and some will config them into high density quicker than they would have...
we will just have to see what happens in the next few years..
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