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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 19 Dec 13:20 |
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With the introduction of flat beds etc etc in 1st and on many private planes today How does the seat belt work. I mean imagine if your fortunate to fly a BBJ and there a nice comfortable bed you can get a kip on. Then there's the turbulance. That could be a problem if your having your 40 winks and end up on the ceiling or floor.
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Message de 777ETOPS - Envoyé le 19 Dec 19:28 |
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 20 Dec 23:08 |
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I agree always fasten your belt but if your like me i like to get intoi a comofortable position that could be on my side etc etc and the seat belt won't be long enough. No comments about being large please my weght is 82 kilos
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 20 Dec 9:00 |
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The Flat Beds are designed to protect in the case of sudden turbulence but if it was bad the crew will get you up into the seated position and apply your belt.
Could we widen this discussion a little and let us hear your thoughts on the effectiveness of seat belts as to whither they are a means of protection in the event of an accident.
Do they save lives ?
Are the a hindrance in the event of a quick escape ?
Any comments would be appreciated on this subject and also could you let me know what you think of the whole safety briefing before departure.
What is your opinion on Life Jackets ?
In the event of an accident CAN an airliner with 300 plus pax be evacuated in 3 minutes ?
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 20 Dec 12:15 |
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Interesting Cpt Bill. I sometimes think that airlines could use the seat belts similar to that of cars. The type that you just push in and push the red buton to get out. Surely that would be a beter idea for airlines to use as would be quicker. As for Life jackets. Im not sure. What are the chances of survival if the plane goes down in icy waters miles from anywhere. IE over the Pole. As for an airliner with 300pax evacuating in 3 mins in my opinion it depends i think on the situation. With trials everybody knows its going to happen so they do their best. But in a real life situation I wopudnt be so sure. By the way, How was your Hols in Tenerife/
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Message de EI-DUB - Envoyé le 20 Dec 14:20 |
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the seat belts I reckon don't have the same rate of success as they would lets say in the case of car accidents, because lets face it when things go wrong at 37,000 feet they tend to go badly wrong, and a piece of fabric isn't going to do much to save you.
They are important I believe though during severe turbulence and there have been a few occasions where I have been gad to have one on.
What I think is funny are life jackets and rafts........ you can easily count the number of people they have saved..... aircraft are not designed in anyway to gently make an emergency landing by skimming across water... as an Irish comedian once said aircraft don't land on water, they crash!
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 20 Dec 14:29 |
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Many latest gen seats with a shell back design(e.g. Those on CX and JL), even in Y-class, are designed to work like a normal car seat i.e. 3 points anchoring system(With instant conversion to the regular 2 points system) with auto retraction. Airlines using the latest gen biz-class flat-bed seats with the angled herring-bone cabin layout(e.g. AC, NZ, CX, VS, etc.) actually don't require pax to put the seat in the upright position during take-off/landing.
captain bill:
In the worst situations, seatbelt may make little or no diff. But in less than extreme cases such as severe turbulence, hard landing, etc., wearing seatbelts can definitely reduce injuries as demonstrated time and again by how pax flare when comparing those wearing against those not wearing.
Probably because I fly so frequently these days and hv flown on nearly all major types/variants of current airliners, I know all the nearest exit routes by heart now. I admit I no longer pay attention @ all during pre-flight safety briefings =P
Given today's tech and sufficient performance std met, life jacket should be made as tiny as possible in order to increase useable seat space for pax which is often at a premium driven by airlines' constant need to squeeze more seats into the cabin(Don't U just feel disappointed that the 8 abreast seating in Y-class we see on early 787 photos are now turning out to be 9-abreast for almost all 787 customers?).
300 pax escaping in 3 mins? That's like more than 3 pax every 2 secs. Possible only when everybody(And I mean EVERYBODY including children+pregnant lady+older folks) is calm, not panic, not afraid of height, reasonably fit, not carrying cabin bags, not injured, all crew willing to take their chances only after 3 mins, at least 50% escape routes are unblocked, etc......Imagine the chances for all these factors present in a real emergency.....
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 20 Dec 22:26 |
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Hols in Tenerife was wonderful thanks Speedbird9468.
When I was on the International Aviation and Maritime Security Committee we did an experiment with a L-1011 with 380 people on board to see how long it would take to evacuate. These people were briefed as to what to do when the whistle blew but it took over 7 minutes to evacuate when we were told by those in authority that it would only take three so in an emergency with tight seating and all the panic with one or two doors out of action,,,,, well I would only hazard a guess as to how long it would take to clear the aircraft.
After the Lockerbie disaster rows of seats were found around the country side with people still strapped into them but as you can imagine the bodies were an absolute mess but it did prove the point that belts are effective. I still favour the Inertia Reel Seat Belt System as fitted in cars but the additional cost and extra weight makes it a no no.
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 21 Dec 1:09 |
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Yes Cpt Bill I'll agree with the inertia sytem like in cars for this reason. The amount of times i have sat in my seat only to stand up again to find the ends of the seat belt to fasten it. The next invention I guessing will be air bags. Imagine that on a heavy crosswind landing. Could be fun. As brazilians say Balls(balloons) everywhere
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 21 Dec 7:43 |
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I admit my attempt to describe the typical front seat belts in a car as a 3-points anchoring(1 point above shoulder+2 points nex to the waist) system with auto retraction'' is not as elegant as 'Inertia Reel System'.
At some point in the near future, I'll eventually be flying on the 388 and 788 for the 1st time. No doubt I'll pay full attention during the preflight safety brief + study the safety card really hard as if I hv to do an exam on it! Just the possibility of having to do a real emergency evac along with 150-200 fellow pax fm the UPPER deck of a 388 is enough to send shivers along my spine....does anyone know on which airline I can buy a parachute fm inflight dutyfree???
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 21 Dec 9:22 |
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I have heard that Ryan Air are going to sell parachutes and fit ejector seats due to all of their pilots not being able to land the 737NG without a thump or doing a slalom down the runway.
Anyone had a good landing with Rotten Air ?
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 21 Dec 11:25 |
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cant say that I have. But I remember A DC10-30 flight back from Tenerife south. Already silly late. We had to hold cause of fog in LGW. Well the spanish accented pilot announced we were cleared to land and I didn't see the runway till we hit with a hell of a thump and really slammed on the brakes and got on to the first possible taxiway Obviously there were loads of traffic behind us low on fuel and wanting to get on the deck. Behind us was a Virgin 742 and as we pulled onto the taxiway he appeared from the fog also giving from what i saw maximum braking to get off.
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 21 Dec 13:36 |
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Now that speedbird9468 mentioned it, right, I remember I saw a Ryannair DC10 on photo about 6-7yrs ago when I didn't even know what was Ryannair and thought it was some kind of small transoceanic long-range charter op/LCC based somewhere in Europe.
Can anyone enlighten me with what was the DC10 doing in Ryannair's fleet @ that time. If the DC10 is no longer in Ryannair's fleet, what happened to it? I'm unaware that Ryannair is currently in the long-range transoceanic mkt.
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 02 Jan 16:53 |
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Message de flylinefrontier - Envoyé le 03 Jan 23:40 |
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I don't know, but I think it did works out in Singapore airline's A380 and 77W. Starting from Business to the highest The Suite . You can flip your seat into a bed or flip back. It looks like in the picture after you flip the seat into a bed, the seatbelt was gone...
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