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Message de DL764 - Envoyé le 13 Dec 0:30 |
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Two more ex-TWA 757s, N713TW and N721TW, are now with Delta as of November 15, 2007. They are not yet in service, however. Please update the pages for them.
Also, for those interested, N713TW will be the first ex-TWA ETOPS 757 to get BusinessElite and the Panasonic eFX AVOD system. It is currently getting the mods now, and should be in service by December 24.
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Message de Werkur737 - Envoyé le 13 Dec 1:42 |
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 13 Dec 19:38 |
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Isn't it amazing how there is a great demand once more for this wonderful airliner and as discussed in an other thread how and when and who will come up with a natural successor for the 757.
I'm just back from Tenerife and flew in a Thomas Cook 757 which was highly configured with 234 seats which was cramped but the flight in the 757 was as smooth and quiet as it ever was.
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Message de DL764 - Envoyé le 14 Dec 1:25 |
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 14 Dec 9:02 |
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captain bill:
234 seats in a 752? Talk about ultra-high density!! A 763ER's fuselage is physically much bigger but it typically has less than 234 seats in Int'l 2-class layout on most scheduled flights.
I hv only flew on the 752 4 times, all on domestic flights after 2003 when production was nearly/already finished. 1st time was LGA->MSP(Minneapolis,U.S.) on NW in 04. 2nd time was PVG->CTU(Chengdu,CHINA) on CA in 05. Final 2 flights were on ORD<->MIA(Miami,U.S.) on AA. All these 752s were in less dense 2-class layout of about 185 seats. All these flights were quite comfy and I thought it has the same/bigger cabin diameter as/than the 321 which I fly on a lot more often. Only about 2yrs ago when I looked up the spec of 757 that I finally realized that the 752 has exactly the same cabin width as the 737 family and therefore actually smaller than the 321! I still don't know why the 752 cabin feel wider than it actually is for me. May be those 752s were older and airlines were more generous with seat pitch when they ordered them so the extra legroom induced me to hv an abnormally favourable impression re cabin width? May be the cabin height fm ground(i.e. Taller than any 737 or 321) messed-up my senses and fooled me into believeing I was travelling on a widebody?
Although not my favourite, I agreed the 757 is pretty amazing. Born in the early 80s and designed to replace the 727, it was way ahead of its time. Why? 1st, the smallest 752 has significantly more seat capacity than the biggest 727 it was supposed to be replacing. 2nd, the max ranges+payload of the 752 and the 727 are basically in 2 completely diff leagues. ETOPS was only an idea fm a tiny minority among the industry/regulators in the late 70s! 3rd, 757 engine+avionics+systems were so far advanced fm the 727 that it was a complete paradigm shift/revolution in terms of efficiency. That advancement was so huge that after 25yrs of ops, the 752 is still only slightly less efficient than the 321 in the shorter-range mkt segments and remains the the ONLY mainstream choice(Neither 319LR nor 73GER will ever be a mainstream choice) in the longer-range narrowbody segment.
The question of why Boeing embarked on a 727 replacement design that has so much more range+capability+efficiency nearly 30yrs ago still puzzles me today. It almost felt like they were designing the 757 for a mkt that nobody else knew/believed would eventually materialized in the distant future. Has Boeing got a crystal-ball that always precisely foresee a future so far-off(i.e. At least 20 yrs)? May be Boeing is in the fortune-telling biz, not aerospace......
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