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Message de EI-DUB - Envoyé le 12 Dec 14:26 |
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 12 Dec 20:02 |
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I think Aer Lingus will do well in BFS as politically and also the North South divide has improved. On a recent trip to DUB there was about fifty Glasgow Rangers supporters using EI to Barcelona for a European match something that would not have happened ten years ago and as I visit the North on a regular basis I feel the change.
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Message de EI-DUB - Envoyé le 13 Dec 23:51 |
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Ye, you're right, the tension that was present until recent years is mostly gone, except for maybe a few dissident groups. It's actually not something I had thought of, but it is remarkable that the Irish national flag carrier is opening a base 'up north'. Remarkable really. It's fantastic to see such progress.
As i'm sure you know captain bill most of the controversy and hype surrounding the base was kicked up south of the border to do with pulling the Shannon-LHR service, hype that in my opinion was completely unnecessary!
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Message de SJR - Envoyé le 13 Dec 0:18 |
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Yes i agree EI should do well at Belfast. As much as i wish they had made Manchester the base i can see that Belfast is a much better fit for them. Now EI can add Manchester to Belfast as well as Dublin and Cork.
Wise move by Aer Lingus
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 13 Dec 0:22 |
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Yes good luck to EI. I live in a catholic dominated country and Im married to one. Im Anglican and everything thinh here is plum. I will never understand the problems there in Ireland and I'm very happy to see it getting better. Its a great place to go for hols and the best of luck to EI in Belfast
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 13 Dec 6:55 |
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Hmmm...interesting, catholic dominated instead of catholic majority ....somehow I find the 2 terms don't exactly describe the same situation/mentality to me.... Now, I'm starting to get a feel of why there was a long standing & historical dispute(I don't dare to say struggle) in N.Ireland and things were not plum .
For the record, I'm a born but non-practicing catholic and strictly an outsider without even remote family ties in Ireland, N.Ireland nor Britain. Perhaps I'm drifting off-topic and should stick with commercial aviation instead...
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 13 Dec 15:44 |
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Message de EI-DUB - Envoyé le 13 Dec 16:30 |
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 13 Dec 19:30 |
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I agree EI-DUB but for the record I think everyone should know that PURE RELIGION no matter what it is will show love and consideration to others but what we had in Ireland and to a great extent in the West of Scotland was idiots who just hated each other for the sake of hate and never entered a church in their lives.
So let's hope that the folks in the North will support Aer Lingus which I'm sure they will just as they are doing with Ryan Air out of BHD
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Message de EI-DUB - Envoyé le 13 Dec 20:24 |
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I hope they do really well too, there are some people down the west of the country who I have seen in other forums actually expressing a wish that the venture would fail as revenge for pulling the Shannon service. Sadly thats the problem when you privatize a company, they no longer pander to public policy, and obviously as a result some services are axed.
I just don't get the logic that some people held that for some strange reason Aer Lingus had some sort of obligation to service Shannon- LHR!!!
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 14 Dec 10:01 |
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EI-DUB:
Nationalism that's what it is, aka, Irish company serving Irish nationals has priority over profitability or any modern business practice concepts. Not uncommon at all in many other parts of the world but it's definitely getting less popular. Some view Aer Lingus like a city public transit-nearly an Irish social service. Good luck try to sell the same idea to Ryannair......
speedbird9468:
13% population speak only French and 68% population speak only English in Canada so nearly 7 in every 8 Canadians speak English only instead of French. By your logic, English speakers DOMINATE Canada. But wait, why are English AND French both are the only official languages, both hv equal legal status and both must be used by the gov't to provide public services in Canada? English speakers are the MAJORITY but they clearly DO NOT DOMINATE Canada.
I guess people's thinking in many other societies(Such as what Ireland and N.Ireland used to be), majority does equal to dominate.
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Message de EI-DUB - Envoyé le 14 Dec 14:53 |
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FLX i completely disagree... Aer Lingus is now a privatized company and its SOLE function now is to make profits for its shareholders. I know thats not the best for the nation but sadly when our government sold it and sold it in the worst way possible might i add, the obligation to serve the Irish nation was relinquished.
On a related note Citijet today announced that they would start a service from Shannon to Paris CDG, twice daily in the new year. This has pleased the aptly named Shannon Connectivity Alliance , as they now once again have...... connectivity to the rest of the world!
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 14 Dec 16:34 |
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EI are now in the same position that BA were a few year ago when they went private and had to for financial reasons drop a number of routes. I argued at the time that these routes should not be dropped but the accountants rule. Other Airlines tried to replace BA but soon found that for commercial reasons they soon had to drop these routes too.
EI have a very difficult job to do to try and generate profit for the share holders but also at the same time to fight off the advances and undermining of Ryan Air. Remember Ireland is a small country and to have two major Airlines is going to make it difficult to survive so EI needs to diversify to Belfast and probably somewhere else in the UK or mainland Europe.
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 14 Dec 19:37 |
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who mentioned Canada? Plus in addition the word Dominate means to command and thats what the RC church does where I live (although polemically). Considering that 95% of Latin Americans are RC they are predominateley in majority meaning that there are more than other religions.
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Message de EI-DUB - Envoyé le 18 Dec 11:12 |
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Subsidies are illegal in the European union for governments to subsidize airlines, so thats why routes like this get pulled.... you also see those wonderful press releases from Mr. O'Leary  of Ryanair asking the EU to investigate aid given to Olympic or Air France from time to time too!!
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 19 Dec 11:58 |
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 20 Dec 9:27 |
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Yes they do investigate things like this. It may take them some time to do so but they will get round to it.
Special cases can be put forward e.g. some of the routes in the Highlands and Islands of Scotland are considered essential but due to operational costs and the number of pax traveling the airline operating these routes would make a loss so an operating subsidy can be applied. Airlines are encouraged to use aircraft that are appropriate for the route and again I give an example, BA operated from GLA to SYY with a 66 seat ATP and anytime I was on the route there would be around 30 plus pax so a large subsidy had to be paid to maintain this route. BA then did a franchise deal with Logan Air who now operate this route with a higher frequency at a much lower cost with a Saab 340 so the subsidy if there is one will be very low.
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 20 Dec 11:51 |
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captain bill:
Agree and that's why I'm pretty neutral on the airline subsidy issue in general. We see airline subsidies still being tolerated worldwide for unprofitable but vital services linking small & geog isolated remote communities with the nearest major cities often thousands of km away in Outback Australia, Northern Canada and possibly Greenland fm Denmark and Northern Alaska. If airline subsidy is banned completely, these gov'ts would hv been spending a lot more on these services if provided via any form of gov't flying units.
Now to be fair, I believe any rational person, Irish or not, will hv extreme difficulty to argue Shannon is a small & geog isolated remote community and EI's SNN-LHR link is vital..... when DUB is under 200km away, Ryannair flies to 3 other London airports and SNN has regular nonstop flights to global hubs such as EWR,JFK and soon, CDG plus seasonal service to YYZ and ATL(Busiest airport in the world)....
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Message de EI-DUB - Envoyé le 20 Dec 14:15 |
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Never mind Dublin, CORK is only an hour down the road, and there is a LHR service and EI have a large operation there too, and Ryanair are expanding there too.
Ryanair have a large operation out of Shannon to all their 'London' airports too, now I'd hate to be stuck with that option, but its better than nothing.
I just find it impossible to buy any of the arguments about the Shannon service being so vital, sure, nobody likes to see things being cut but still, it was such a fuss over something relatively small.
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 20 Dec 14:46 |
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I do believe in these 2 principles:
1) Gov't should never subsidize for their people to hv options in regular commercial air services.
2) Gov't should subsidize for their people if any regular commercial air service is not available at all.
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 21 Dec 1:17 |
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I agree with that and add a 3rd. All people rich and poor should have the right to travel so Gov'ts around the world should have a scheme were all can travel cheaply on reputable airlines. For Ex here in Brazil the minimum salary is equal to about 105 pounds which to be honest is nothing. So the gov't should have a lets say a benefit for those people who want to travel by air to lets say see families etc in other parst of the world.
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 21 Dec 9:28 |
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 21 Dec 13:52 |
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True. Current surcharges+taxes represent an unduly high % of the total ticket price of major airlines and often match or exceed the base airfare of LCCs(This really makes me sick).
On the other hand, if these surcharges+taxes are not borne directly by the pax, gov'ts will basically finance the related expenses fm all taxpayers including those who rarely or seldom fly-opposite to the user-pay principle. It's a moral dilemma.
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