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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 02 Dec 13:12 |
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I was sat here thinking about the 777's and the A340-500/600 and the long flights they do. I wondered whats the longest passenger prop flight non stop. So that means no stops for fuel. I'm sure you guys know something
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 02 Dec 17:58 |
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Don't know exactly which route but the longest scheduled non-stop flight by a prop-liner must hv occurred during the peak of the prop-liner era in the late 50s just before 707/DC8 EIS(The Comet came a bit earlier but never sold well). These are only my guesses based on the route histories of a few major airlines of that era:
HND(Tokyo Haneda)-SEA(Now Boeing Field Seattle) on NW
IDL(Idlewild, now JFK)-LHR on PA
SFO-LHR on TWA(Over 23hrs non-stop)
In terms of aircraft type, I only remember 3 prop-liners that hv this kind of long-range performance in their last produced variants:
1. Boeing 377 Stratocruiser
2. Douglas DC-7C(Most likely the longest range of the 3)
3. Lockheed L-1649A Constellation/Starliner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Constellation
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 02 Dec 22:49 |
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Interesting if any of you know the modern route of today. I know the shortest which is in the scotish Islands operated by Logan air and is something like 14kms and takes 2 mins on an Islander. But I was just curious as for Cargo flights some must be quite long on military metal etc. But I wanns knoiw the longest pax prop flight on a non stop scheduled route. Maybe somewhere in the pacific Islands, Australia, who knows?
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Message de Werkur737 - Envoyé le 02 Dec 22:54 |
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 03 Dec 9:33 |
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There are a number of really long haul prop flights within Canada where aircraft such as DC-6 and Electra are still used. There are also a number of South American cargo airline fly into the USA with DC-6 / DC-7 types.
Regarding the Loganair Islander hop in the Shetland Islands the record for the shortest flight is around 54 seconds due to a high tail wind take off. The pilot laughingly said it almost took him to Norway to stop the plane.
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 07 Dec 2:01 |
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Message de Werkur737 - Envoyé le 07 Dec 2:44 |
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 07 Dec 4:17 |
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The fact is for scheduled commerical medium-haul(Let alone long-haul) pax flight, propliner doesn't make economic sense any more. I suspect this applies to any routes beyond 2-3hrs(Well below Medium-range) and it's easy to calculate/est. the longest distance any propliner can travel in 2-3hrs.
The same trend is also happening in special long-range charter to extremely remote locations. Antarctic reseach stations charter used to be the domain of turboprop transport such as C130s. This yr, the Australian gov't is planning to run charter by specially prepared A320 for its Antarctic ops.
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 07 Dec 20:18 |
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Message de oldbold - Envoyé le 16 Dec 3:17 |
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Googling  Antarctic Airbus brings up several items. E.g.
Barbara McMahon in Sydney
Wednesday December 12, 2007
Guardian Unlimited
Australian scientists heading to Antarctica will have their journey time cut from weeks to hours thanks to a new air service using a runway carved out on 500 metre-thick glacial ice, it has emerged.
An Airbus A319 on a trial flight touched down earlier this week on the remote Wilkins runway, 45 miles from Australia's Casey research station, just outside the Antarctic Circle. Operational services are due to commence shortly, after final clearance from aviation authorities.
Article continues
 It was fantastic, said Charlton Clark, manager of the Antarctic Airlink project, who was on the historic flight.  The weather conditions were excellent, and we could see the runway from 10 kilometres [six miles] out. Having been involved in the project for many years, it is exciting to see it come to fruition.Â
The idea of an air link from Australia to Antartica was first explored in the 1950s, but funding and logistical problems, as well as concerns about the environmental impact of a runway amid the pristine beauty of Antarctica, thwarted the project.
In 2001, however, a new feasibility study was carried out, and work finally got under way in 2005, after the Australian government committed $46m (£20m) in funding.
Crews have worked for the past three summers from mid-November to mid-February, when temperature rises, to carve out the two and a half-mile runway.
 They have been able to use conventional construction equipment and laser levelling technology to shave the ice to the flatness required, said Clark.
Until now, scientists and specialists have had to spend weeks at sea to get to Australia's four research stations. The journey time from Hobart is approximately four hours and 20 minutes, and a flight a week is planned during the summer season.
There are no plans to open the air service to tourists, and the link will have only a minor and transitory impact on the Antarctic environment, according to Clark.
The runway is about 19 miles from the nearest wildlife concentration and has been constructed using a natural glacial ice formation. The surface would return to its natural state if not continually cleared of snow, Clark said.
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4 hours 20 minutes does not compare with other trans-oceanic
hops by 737s and 319s/320s, let along lots of 757 operations.
On the other hand, there would be a lot of fuel on board for Southbound operations, as presumably refuelling is not an option!
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 18 Dec 10:07 |
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speedbird9468:
I've checked again, it's a 319 not 320. My mistake.
oldbold:
Fm what I hv read on FlightGlobal, this 319 is operated by a specialized charter company(Forgot the name but they fly this type of missions a lot for the AU gov't) based in Sydney and is a Combi(Pax+Cargo on maindeck) modified with landing skis and other specialized survival gears. Nothing mention whether this 319 is the std or the LR variant. If no refueling @ the Wilkins rwy, a std 319 will hv to carry a lot of fuel in barrels for the return trip but a 319LR will be able to hold some of these in its internal tank.
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 19 Dec 12:00 |
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 20 Dec 12:44 |
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speedbird9468:
Not sure what do U mean by refuel.... The 320 has more than sufficient range for a 1 way flight to the Wilkins rwy fm HBA(Hobart). Fyi, VirginAmerica's 320s regularly fly the longer distance SFO-JFK route nonstop. Assuming no expensive non-std modification to the fuel system, the fact is any 320, 319 or 319LR with max allowable fuel flying outbound to the Wilkins rwy will still require refueling there for the inbound trip to Hobart. Due to the bigger fuel tank, it's possible for a 319LR to refuel with less than the std 319/320 @ the Wilkins. The only issue is whether they bring those fuel in barrels onboard the outbound trip or those fuel are already shipped separetely by sea & stored @ the Wilkins rwy in which I don't know.
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 21 Dec 1:19 |
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