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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 01 Dec 0:06 |
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Message de Werkur737 - Envoyé le 01 Dec 0:54 |
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Basic the Jetsite news said:
Airbus and TAM did not confirmed, but Jetsite says: The brazilian carrier and the european manufacturer will announce, maximum untill the beginning of 2008, the order of 4 airplanes A380-800, with an option of four more aircraft. The objetive of the carrier is have the A380 in its fleet in 2014, at time to put at least two of its new flagships in operation on the trunk routes of the airline that says has pride to be brazilian carrier. The idea is count of the capacity of gianty A380 (basically 500 seats in three class lay-out) during the world cup soccer of 2014 to be headed in Brazil. Jetsite congrats TAM and Airbus for this historic, for the memory fact in brazilian aviation.
Jetsite also said for anyone has doubt of the order, Jetsite announced on first hand the E-195 order of Embraer by BRA, two monthns earlier, order made in july 2007.
Now i can say...no doubt of A380 order of TAM, the airline is growing more to international market share in Brazil fast, but BRA gone to bankruptcy later months ahead and the order of E-195 is not real anymore.
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 02 Dec 10:31 |
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Latin America to/fm Europe is definitely a high growth mkt these days. Aerolineas and Comet are ordering the same and planned to deploy 388 for this mkt as well.
Good to see Airbus is finally finding new customers for the 388. At just under 200 units sold now, Airbus need to sell over 420 units just to make the A380 program near break-even.
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 02 Dec 13:07 |
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 02 Dec 16:50 |
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1st of all, there's officially no such thing as a 747-800. There's the 747-8F(748F) and 747-8I(748I) program though.
Sales of the 748F(Freighter) hv been brisk and upto Nov07, firm order stands @ 80 units. It'll EIS in 09. In contrast, sales of the 748I(Intercontinental) has been dissmal and currently stands @ 25 units with LH as the only airline customer. It'll EIS in 2010. It's interesting that this sales situation is almost exactly the opposite of the A380 program where currently lots of 388 are sold but the 388F(Freighter) has 0 firm order.
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 02 Dec 17:11 |
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interesting. But what I don't understand is why the 748I has not sold so well. In my opinion althought the 747 was the biggest commecercial jet flying the operators are not going for it. As you say Lh has gone for it but what will happen if there is not enought customers for it. I can really see the A380 taking off regarding sales. Isn't it about time Boeing did develop something in that size sector. There is a need for it
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 03 Dec 9:54 |
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Here I go full of gloom and doom !!!! But what do you expect from a Scotsman ????
I predict that as the calendar of events roll out there will be a good number of cancellations for the A-380. This is not just based on my pessamism but on research I have been privy to since flying a desk. There will always be a market and a good one for A-380 BUT as a consultative group my contacts believe Boeing have got it right again with The Dreamliner for as discussed in another thread more airlines around the world will due to passenger demand operate point to point services from regional airports to regional airports.
Now fellow contributors I am off to Tenerife for a week and when I come back I will read with great interest your thoughts on this and as I have said to you before be gentle with me as I bruise easily and respect your elders.
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 03 Dec 14:26 |
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Well, may be a few cancellations(e.g. MH) re 388 but I won't bet on significant # of cancellations. Most existing customers are blue-chip/financially healthy airlines that are better @ their homework than many others re their 388 orders.
On the other hand, I can't really see the 388's so-called taking off regarding sales at all. I see few sales trickle in here & there for the nex few yrs. The same goes for the 748I and it really doesn't matter even if Boeing reconsider today & develop something completely new in that size category. Neither type will sell in great #s and Boeing knew it long time ago...probably saved the company fm financial illness which Airbus seems to be dancing around right now. Anyone claiming Airbus is in a great financial shape currently or even in the longer term is lying or purely ignorant re its outlook. Their resources are stretched so thin between super-expensive programs such as the 380,350XWB and A400(Airbus Military) that any little unpleasant surprise can easily put the company on the brink unless their govts step in. None of these pricey programs can cash-in substantially(e.g. it's impossible to hv over 80 units of 388 delivered by 2010..a drop in their financial bucket) before the nex decade and they've no choice but to keep spending on them in the mean time. If I were Airbus top mgmt, I pray the sales of my remaining widebodies, the older 333/332(Sales of 345/346 nearly vapourized by the 77L/77W) won't be crushed completely by the brand new 788 in the nex few yrs...an eternity in the aerospace industry.
The ultra-large category has always been a tiny niche and will remain so. 388 sales will rise but won't help Airbus much especially in the nex 5 yrs. If the huge opportunities in India and China don't materialize larger & quicker(Together, they ordered may be 10-15 units - a pathetically low number given their potential mkt size), I venture to say that segment overall will actually decline. For the nex 5-10 yrs, the real $ AND profitable volume sales are in the mid-size point-to-point twin-engine mkt. Interestingly, both China & India ordered plenty of these(Close to 100 units) and the 388 is NOT 6-7 times larger than a 787....can't help but wonder are these 2 huge emerging countries trying to give us a glimpse of the future of air transport in terms of exactly what size of an airliner most of us will be traveling in.... Boeing now owns the lion's share in that segment but I hope Airbus can hold-out until 2013 when their 359XWB for that segment finally EIS.
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Message de speedbird9468 - Envoyé le 03 Dec 15:40 |
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