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Message de DL 767-400ER - Envoyé le 25 Jun 21:56 |
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Hopefully if the bill by Johnny Isakson gets passed, Delta will easily avoid bankruptcy. If not, we must hope that oil prices go down.
As you should know, Delta is planning to retire four aircraft types. Confirmed for retirement are the 737-200, 737-300, and 767-200. The fourth type is currently undecided, with the MD-88 and MD-90 being the candidates.
I personally think that Delta is more likely to retire their MD-90 fleet due to the fewer number of aircraft. Plus, the current order of additional 737-800s can easily take over all of MD-90's destinations.
However, a Delta FA told me that they are aiming to retire their MD-88s due to their age. Does anyone have any thoughts about this?
Also, if the financial condition improves, what will replace the 737-200s, 737-300s, and 767-200s? I would think the most likely candidate to replace the 737 classics is the 737-700 (not 737-600!). For the 767-200 replacement, I am thinking that Delta may become a potential 787 customer if financial condition improves.
Does anyone have thoughts on this post?
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Message de KiwiRob - Envoyé le 26 Jun 20:17 |
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Message de burt1982 - Envoyé le 27 Jun 11:46 |
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I think it's a little bit strange that a big and well known carrier as Delta still flies 737-200, which are so old and noisy birds.
Hopfully they'll replace them with 737ng. The best solution for replacing the old 767-200 would surely be the 787, as it seems very improbable that Delta will buy the A350...
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Message de Blitzwing - Envoyé le 07 Jan 0:18 |
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Last year I flew a 737-200 from CVG to ATL.Its fun to fly with old planes,but no comfort at all.I just wonder how Delta will manage,old planes and almost no money to replace,the 767's from AMS to JFK/ATL/CVG have no comfort,no personal TV screens,the flight seems it takes forever...I wish Delta the best of luck in 2007.
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Message de GA772ER - Envoyé le 22 Jan 7:54 |
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Message de Amadeo - Envoyé le 22 Jan 16:47 |
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I dobut they would buy the 73G because even though it has commonality with the 738 it is still a new a/c type. Besides haven't they already replaced all the 733 routes w/ MD-88s? Also, they have only a few MD-82s left which are slightly older and do not have as modern of a flightdeck so it would make sense to replace those before the MD-88 or MD-90
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Message de Amadeo - Envoyé le 22 Jan 17:00 |
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Message de md80-4evr - Envoyé le 28 Jan 23:53 |
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I would think the next type to go would be the MD-90, obviously since there are not that many in the fleet. It would make no sense to retire the 88's since they have so many of them. Reguarding a few posts back saying that delta has a few 82's left is incorrect. Those few MD-82's delivered were later modified to MD-88's. Back to my point about the MD-90, I would hate to see it go,but it would make sense since it is an odd duck in the fleet and delta is trying to streamline thier fleet.
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Message de dagge1972 - Envoyé le 28 Jan 15:26 |
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Message de Boeing Boy Nat - Envoyé le 28 Jan 16:21 |
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Message de Amadeo - Envoyé le 28 Jan 21:21 |
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Message de jetman - Envoyé le 26 Apr 16:36 |
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Well as time passes your questions are answered. The 737-200/300s, 767-200s and four of the oldest 767-300s are gone. They have added 752 ETOPS, 777-LRs, with more LRs to come. Soon to be delivered is the 737-700NGs. The NW buyout yields more possibilities as DL will have to get rid of nearly 100 NW DC-9/30/40/50s.
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 26 Apr 20:21 |
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I have been told that DL are planning to take between 15 and 20 main line and 20 to 25 regional jets out of service and are looking to reduce staff by 2000. Delta's problem is the domestic market and the USA just like every other country where the LCC's have flourished are seeing all their mainline carriers taking a drastic downturn.
The good news for DL is the tremendous growth they are seeing on International routes and if the oil price stabilises and the Americans don't do their usual and panic and closet themselves within the US Delta could have a good summer. Travelers from the UK and mainland Europe support them well so if they get rid of older types like 737-200 and MD-80/90's, cut back on domestics, with the reduction in staff plus the upper management structure that has also to go DL will survive.
All of this will put them in good standing for a future merger with NW.
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Message de Dieseljean - Envoyé le 27 Apr 1:46 |
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 28 Apr 9:27 |
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Dieseljean:
I hv flown on the MD90 fleet of CZ about a dozen times(Both F+Y cabins) across China to as far north as DLC and as far south as SYX. The seats are a bit worn and the mouse pad of your computer probably provides more support to your butt than the seat cushions on those CZ MD90s...clearly a result of operating in a mkt experiencing ultra rapid traffic growth+a lack of competition which never prompt CZ to even consider minor cabin refurbishment. If DL really is to take over some of those ex-CZ MD90s, major cabin upgrade will be needed or DL's U.S. domestic pax will scream.
Having said that and beyond those seats, those MD90s are really nice to fly in especially if U plan on taking a nap inflight. Cabin noise level is below avg unless U sit in the last few rows near those BR turbofans @ the back(I still maintain engines @ the back is the best layout for cabin noise suppression overall). I also think it's pretty cool to be able to disembark fm the built-in airstairs below its tail. I did that twice(Yes, and then through the hassle of hopping on a bus to get to the terminal) and in the process, got a completely diff view of an airliner than pax normally get when traveling on the more mainstream types(i.e. view the jet fm portside front through the windows of an airbridge).
captain bill:
I agree DL seems very ambitious+agressive with their Int'l expansion plan lately. Among U.S. carriers, they're doing many notable FIRSTs that will hv significant strategic implications in the future:
1) FIRST U.S. operator of 77L:
Instantly becomes the only U.S. airline with the longest range jet in the world. Endowed DL with yr-round, full-load, non-stop capability to fly fm JFK/ATL to India now and later, after DL secured rights, to China/SE Asia/Mid-East - Each of them rapid-growth economies promising huge premium biz traffic volume and underpinned by gigantic U.S. multinationals concentrated in the U.S. East.
2) FIRST U.S. airline actively pursueing U.S. East-SYD non-stop:
Such non-stop service will bust the current QF+AA cartel @ their LAX connecting hub(Bulk of ALL premium traffic between SYD and JFK pass through here). Only 77L has the potential to fly this route non-stop economically(Partly explains why DL upgraded to 77L instead of the easier way of just adding more 77ER to their existing fleet). In fact, they're actively harrassing Boeing to squeeze more range out of the 77L:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/03/17/222225/delta-pushes-boeing-to-squeeze-more-range-from-777-200lr.html
3) FIRST U.S. airline to provide completely horizontal lie-flat seat in a private cubicule in biz class(Exactly same design as AC's):
Horizontal lie-flat seat is the cutting-edge in today's best intercontinental biz class and DL is clearly @ the top of that game among U.S. airlines. UA started to install similar horizontal biz-class seats(Though, not really a private cubicule due to less partitions than DL's) quite a bit later than DL. NW's lie-flat has been around 4yrs earlier but isn't horizontal. AA's latest non-horizontal lie-flat isn't even attempting to catch-up with the world's best and basically just content with matching NW's 4yrs old design. CO doesn't even hv any nor has announced any plan for introducing lie-flat biz-class seat at all. As for US Airways, many domestic flights in Japan(Max duration 1-2hrs) hv slightly better quality premium-Y seats than the best biz-class seat used in US's transatlantic flight(Min duration 7hrs).
Int'l expansion also means competing with the best foreign players in the world and DL seems to be most visibly committed(i.e. Investment in inflight products as opposed to mkting/ad campaigns) among all U.S. airlines.
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