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Message de flylinefrontier - Envoyé le 13 Nov 21:23 |
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Message de G-NIKO - Envoyé le 13 Nov 21:50 |
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the dam IT News always want something to complain about!
serously if one of there aircraft is empty i'm sure it will be carrying valuble cargo or there maybe passangers on the 2nd leg of the flight. its just like saying fedex is a ghostplane because there are no Pax.
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 13 Nov 22:27 |
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I was not able to hear the commentary on the ITV news clip so I don't know what was said but this is not new as BA has been doing this for some time. During the winter some routes which had two or three flights a day drop one but to enable BA to continue to hold this slot every so often they need to fly the route so this could be the reason for the ghost flights.
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Message de citation - Envoyé le 14 Nov 1:30 |
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Message de Spot planes - Envoyé le 14 Nov 6:00 |
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Message de EI-DUB - Envoyé le 14 Nov 14:51 |
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Personally I felt this was just a story to fill up a slot on the news, i will agree it is odd for an airline to fly 7 empty flights across the Atlantic in a week, but relative to the thousands of flights BA operate a day, is it really that big a deal? equally they did carry freight so the flights were not completely empty!
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 14 Nov 15:14 |
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What's the fuss? Airlines(Not just BA) often fly with an empty pax load. Common reasons:
1. Charter flights return to base after drop-off their clients/pax...U can't exactly expect an airline to let their aircraft hang around on a tropical island until their tourist pax finish their holidays and take them home!
2. Positioning flight that deploy aircraft correctly @ a location @ the right time where they are truly needed.
3. Ferry flight before/after maintenance.
4. Cargo-only flight on a pax jet. Quite common & now profitable(Many current gen wide-body twins hv amazing cargo capability that are greater than or similar to a pax 747!) especially during off-peak hrs after mid-nite before early morning when the trip costs are much lower.
5. Crew training flights. Sometimes in conjunction with the aforementioned flights. I think this is becoming more frequent as there seems to be a worldwide shortage of pilots lately, e.g. any experienced 737NG/A320 captain, foreign or local, can easily land 2-3 jobs @ any moment in China these days. Think about it, Airbus & Boeing are now delivering roughly 1 737NG and 1 A320 daily on avg. Do we think the world actually can produce 8 or more(Assuming each aircraft require at least 2 sets of rotating crew) qualified 737NG/A320 captains/FOs per day? Remember, crew transitioning into these aircrafts fm older replaced types also needed to be trained too.
Any of the above are justifiable reasons for running empty pax load. Given today's oil prices, it's hard to believe any airline will run empty flights for no good reason(Purely to hold a take-off/landing slot, even for places like LHR or JFK, is a crazy idea)...it's suicidal!
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Message de EI-DUB - Envoyé le 14 Nov 16:31 |
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 14 Nov 18:09 |
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Spot on EI-DUB. Last winter BA used to fly A-320s to Cardiff from London to maintain these slots but having no route to Cardiff and only sending up an A-320 it was not acceptable so to keep these slots it is cheaper to send a crew off to the USA or Canada for a few days.
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Message de Spot planes - Envoyé le 14 Nov 22:37 |
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Message de FLX - Envoyé le 15 Nov 10:59 |
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I thought CWL is a big maintenance base for BA and its airfield(Not pax terminal, of course) infrastructure can easily accomodate upto 744(Currently the biggest beast in the BA fleet).
Could the A320s be flying maintenance ferry/training flights LHR-CWL?
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Message de captain bill - Envoyé le 15 Nov 11:05 |
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Message de flylinefrontier - Envoyé le 16 Nov 20:28 |
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I'm sorry for people have questions to ask, because I've not been using computer since 13 nov. My computer's died...
So, if you can't play the cilp, I don't know what happen, see try to goto youtube and search for BA no passegers, any keyword.
British airway can't do much things, for example, when there is no passengers on a flight from LHR to YYZ, they can't cancel it, because the other flight back from YYZ to LHR need to have an aircraft to fly. If they have a extra aircraft in each airport, it would be really expensive.
What CX do before, they have the flight in unknown aircraft which would be decided in the last minutes depends in pasengers
What BA can do now is replan the flights in 2008 by canceling flights. If they need more flight, they can made a sesonal flight. Summer holiday, Christmas...
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Message de treasurehunt - Envoyé le 22 Nov 2:46 |
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