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Message de SJR - Envoyé le 08 May 13:19 |
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I know that the B737 is the best selling airliner of all time but surely it shouldn't have had as many accidents as it has. I know that the 737NG has only had 2 accidents and one of those wasn't caused by the 737. The older 737 classics however have had an amazing amount of accidents. 123 in total. Compared with the Airbus 320 family which has had 16 accidents. Is there a reason why so many more 737's have crashed.
Is the aircraft hard to control as i seem to have no problems flying on the simulator i have or is it prone to having accidents. Of course i am not saying it is unsafe i am just wondering why there have been so many accidents. Having said that a great number of these are pilot error and many others had little or no fatalities.
Another reason i ask is because i flew on one six months before it crashed. (5B-DBY)
Let me know you thoughts guys!
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Message de SJR - Envoyé le 08 May 13:53 |
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Over 5000 Airbus A320 Family have been sold and over 3000 delivered to more than 180 customers and operators worldwide, making it the worlds best selling single aircraft family ever.
This was taken from the Airbus website so maybe i was wrong about the 737 being the best selling, having said that there have been two 737 families and they were the classic and the next generation so surely the 737 is still the best sellling aircraft of all time
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Message de EI-DUB - Envoyé le 08 May 16:12 |
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What you would also have to take into account is that the 737 is an older series, and thus, the older aircraft, 20+ years old, may be with carriers with poorer operating standards in less regulated parts of the world.
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Message de SJR - Envoyé le 09 May 22:22 |
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Well yes the 737 is rather old but there are A320 family aircraft from way back in the late 80's around when i was born. I know that the 737 is at least 10 years older but it is still an unsually high crash rate. The next aircraft behind it in the list is the 747 with 40 accidents.
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Message de EI-DUB - Envoyé le 09 May 16:47 |
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I do appreciate that there are old 320s.... in fact last december i was on the oldest one in commercial service, F-GFKQ.
But during last summer i was on 737-200s that were delivered originally in 1979 and 1983. The oldest 320 lags behind that at 1987.
I doubt such a phenominaly successful aircraft has faults that lead to so many crashes, as I said earlier, an older series of aircraft will always find its way to operators that can't afford new aircraft in remote parts of the globe, such operations normally don't have great safety ratings, and as an earlier post said pilot error or bad maintenance is normally the cause of most crashes.
It will be interesting to see where the older 320s end up in years to come when they are retired from their original fleets.
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Message de Werkur737 - Envoyé le 10 May 1:04 |
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I think 737 are a great aircraft model. The classic models have more than 3000 units sold, and the newer version sure will be a best selling.
I think most of accidents are pilot error, 90%. The others i think problems of maintenance are the casualties.
Older model??? No problem with that!!! But maybe the A320 family are better designed.
For me is unhappy, because the 737 of all the times are my model preferred.
Other reasons...you guys has said above.
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Message de dutchboi1990 - Envoyé le 10 May 13:35 |
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i see this situation this way.....love 737's...since the 737 is one of the most sold aircrafts it is mass produced so there are plenty out there, just like Md-80's you see them very often so when it seems like they all seem to be fallin out of the sky it's just that they are mass produced and we think they all are, but their is a large ratio to pilot error than the actual airplane...
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Message de SJR - Envoyé le 10 May 19:24 |
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I never said that i just commented on how there have been a lot of accidents with that type. I understand there is no particular reason that causes this and that:
-Pilot Error can be caused by a number of reasons
-Aircraft problems usually happen because of poor maintainance of occasionally something more perculiar
- Weather again is another problem that causes some accidents
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Message de Farmer - Envoyé le 11 May 22:42 |
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Please note that 103 of the write-off accidents are for B737-100/200. These planes are all 20 to 40 years older than the A320. A small dent in an old plane is often sufficient to declare it a write-off accident (damaged beyond economical repair), and then sell useable parts. Newer planes would be repaired after minor accidents. In addition these old planes are frequently operated in high accident areas.
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Message de Werkur737 - Envoyé le 11 May 3:38 |
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Just saying that i agree with Farmer, most of accidents are with 737-100/200.
SJR, i just said that unfortunately many accidents happened with 737s and the aircraft is very good. Pilot errors happens with all type of planes.
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Message de DEMIS - Envoyé le 14 May 5:57 |
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Well , I have been frequently flying the last 32 years accumulating more than 425 flights at present.I will fly again on May 28 .
Up to now more than half of these flights have been with 737 classic series (mainly -200 & -300 & -400) .It ' s a fantastic plane , especially when you fly in difficult airports , existing in many Greek islands .
Probably , the high rate of accidents refers to older planes and do not forget that in about 6000 units of all types delivered , the possibility of an accident increases .I still think it 's a hell of a good flying plane , though A 320 is as well a nice plane to fly .
In any case as with any mechanically produced mean of transportation , accidents will always happen and air flight is by far the safest and faster way to go.
Simply avoid those regional remote airliners that are still using 737-200 or 737-300 older than 25 - 30 years or even more.
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Message de G-NIKO - Envoyé le 14 May 16:04 |
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Message de SJR - Envoyé le 14 May 16:51 |
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Message de DEMIS - Envoyé le 16 May 7:36 |
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To G-NIKO : No my friend , I am simply an Engineer , that has been traveling quite often in different sites around my country (Greece) , but also abroad ..This year I have flown 8 times already , with another 6 - 8 coming within the next 3 months.
As I said the other day I keep a detailed archive of all my flights , including date , dep.& arrival airports , airline company , flight number, type of aircraft , registration , (and if existing name) , and finally flight time , which at moment counts around 450 hours.
Most flights have been with Boeing 737 (Classic -100,-200,-300,-400) totaling 202 , being followed by Airbus A300-B4 (around 40) . Having such experience with 737 ' s , believe me , I consider it a very safe airplane and feel confident when it happens to fly one of these .
At the end planes do crash , due to one million reasons that simply happen to take place all of them at a specific moment.(Remember the Helios B737-300 that crashed outside Athens in 2005 due to a bad maintenance in one valve that resulted in passengers and crew to become unconscious , when the plane reached a FL 31000 .The plane crashed when it run out of fuel).
Besides these my favorite planes to fly with were the Boeing 727-200 and the English built VC-10 (The later one was simply fantastic !!)
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Message de SJR - Envoyé le 17 May 10:43 |
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Message de GA772ER - Envoyé le 19 May 9:57 |
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I think the reason behind the high rate number of crashes of Boeing 737 comes from the operators of the plane. Most of the older 737 (Classic) are belong to a low cost carrier airplane and most of them also in the developing country. With a little knowledge and ability to maintain a great airliner resulting a high rate of crashes
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Message de DEMIS - Envoyé le 21 May 5:57 |
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It's absolutely correct what GA772ER says. To substantiate this , I shall mention that out of 11 planes 737-200 ex-Olympic , that were bought between 1976 - 1981 , most of them are still flying in Indonesia with some local carriers .
In any case a plane of more than 25 years old , should definitely be sent to the scrap yard , since maintenance cost is skyrocketing to keep it airworthy . But unfortunately some are still flying and thus a high rate of crashes seems to follow this type.
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Message de Werkur737 - Envoyé le 21 May 8:10 |
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My favorite of the classics are the 737-300. I have many flights with Varig and US Airways. I simply love this plane.
I agree with GA772ER too, but with good maintenance, even with high cost, no Indonesian plane would crashed. I think good maintenance and crew training are the best for good flights.
Mention about the 737-8EH of GOL, i'm in Brazil some days and i saw in the news the final report...the cause of accident was bad communication of tower control and the Legacy jet. The Legacy was in wrong altitude. The 737 of GOL was making a correct flight.
And about Kenya Airways...is the second best of African carriers, they have a good maintenance facility in Nairobi.
Accidents happened and the human factor is always...always the reason. The control towers in Africa doesn't have good equipments, i mean modern....
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