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What's happening to safety on Qantas fleet lately?
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Message of FLX - Sent 08 Oct 13:04 |
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http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/10/08/317167/qantas-probe-focuses-on-flight-control-system-irregularity-following-sudden-nose-down-pitch-incident.html
This is the 3rd serious inflight tech incidents in barely over 14mths for QF Group. The other 2 are:
JQ30(JetStar Int'l) - 332 engine shut-down & emergency landing in DPS 23Jul07
QF30 - 744 explosive decompression & emergency landing in MNL 25Jul08
QF has enjoyed a sterling reputation for a long time in terms of fleet safety std. What's happening? I can understand this kinda of things occur @ bottom-tier carriers such as those in Indonesia and Thailand. But this is QF we're talking about - a leading world-class carrier! Imagine what happens to Australia's airline services(QF has been enjoying the lion's share of the mkt since the demise of Ansett) if the authority decides they've had enough QF incidents and ground it tomorrow.... Has the industry gone completely mad as a result of relentless cost-cutting?
Among lower-priced alternatives, I booked my Dad to fly LHR-HKG on QF this Sat.....now I'm feeling bad and really worry. No more peace of mind by flying(And paying) top airline brand names anymore......may be I'll just book him on Pakistan Int'l(Terrorism notwithstanding) next time for the same route......
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Message of Envoy320 - Sent 10 Oct 15:49 |
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Let's put this into context shall we....
Qantas is a fairly large airline with in excess of 100 airplanes...
How many flights is that in 14 months? A massive amount...
The latest incident was turbulence....
One of the incidents to which you refer wasn't even Qantas!!
Do you really think that because Qantas is A leading world class airline that they are exempt from incident ?
Complacency, as you seem to have, is a recipe for a major disaster...
Think about things properly before you post them....please!!
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Message of FLX - Sent 11 Oct 11:52 |
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Envo320:
I agree with 2 things U've stated. QF is indeed a large carrier operating plenty of flights in a period of 14mths. Also, it's unrealistic to expect any world class airline to be completely exempted from the possibility of incidents.
However, like U said, let's put things into context and discover why I think these incidents are unusual for QF and goes beyond just simply bad luck, shall we?
1. QF is large, so higher chance of serious incidents?
QF has a large op but certainly not the largest. Even including JQ, the QF Group is still not in the top5 in Asia-Pcf(let alone worldwide) by most measures of size common for this industry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_airlines
There're like 15 Int'l airlines in the world each with OVER 200 airplanes. In Asia-Pcf, airlines with fleet of over 100 used to be very rare 2 decades ago - not any more. There are now well over a dozen in the region and unlike QF, some of these airlines(CX,SQ,EK) hv widebodies only.
Correct me if I'm wrong but none of the top10 carriers in Asia-Pcf or the world during the past 5yrs has serious incidents as frequent as the QF Group has in the last 14mths.
2. The latest incident was turbulence
I don't know from which ATSB(Australian Transport Safety Bureau) statement you read about turbulence cos' clearly I didn't see any from the article. ATSB did said the pilot reported ..irregularity with the aircraft's elevator control system.. . How can turbulence be the cause if the plane 1st climb 300ft and then suddenly pitch nose-down?
3. One of the incidents to which you refer wasn't even Qantas
U're kidding yourself if U think JQ(JetStar) fleet is independent from the rest of the QF group. 1st, JQ is 100% owned by QF Group and fleet decision depends on QF(QF's 787 order is a perfect example). 2nd, many current JQ 332s served QF 1st before transferred into JQ. 3rd, do U think JQ will ask anyone other than QF(Already hv a large 333/332 fleet) to do maintenance?
No airline is not completely exempted from incidents. However, frequency of serious incidents does suggest the possibility of a systematic problem @ QF. If the authority is willing to overlook such unusual pattern, that's complacency.
Finally, thanx for your comment about me did not Think about things properly before you post them . I'd also like to know what kind of complacency do I hv that will cause a major disaster.
Hmm...makes me wonder Look who's talking...
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Message of captain bill - Sent 11 Oct 21:12 |
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I don't think anyone who posts regularly on this site could ever say that FLX has not thought things through befor posting as most of his comments are spot on in every detail indeed I have used some of his facts in my daily occupation.
I do think that as airlines grow there is a bit of complacency sets in and we have seen this with other airlines. I know that there was a time at Pan Am and B.A. when things were going wrong and the Emery Worldwide fleet at one time had problems night after night until action was taken to put stringent proceedures into place.
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