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Message of flylinefrontier - Sent 28 Feb 0:14 |
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As before, there were some big news on BA long/medum flight flyling without a passenger, people thought that it was a waste of fuel, a waste of enegry and it made the air really bad... and so on. But that wasn't the only airline have that problem. Just few days ago, when I travel from ORD to YYZ, there were only 1 passenger in there, and that was me.
I was original planning to fly with AA, but there price gone up over the night. And so, I decided AC.
Checking in the internet, both airline had no passenger booked, and I was suprise. Also my flight on Friday from YYZ to YUL. Empty...
So what do most airline do when that happens, cancel? Or just fly with no passengers?
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Message of captain bill - Sent 28 Feb 7:38 |
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As an airline you have to take the operating cost over a period and then look at your revenue over the same period and find out if you are in profit or loss. If the route is a loss then you drop it. At certain times of the day loads are low but you still have to send the aircraft as the return journey could be at peak flying time and you have a full load and lots of profit.
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Message of FLX - Sent 28 Feb 8:27 |
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Also, the AC aircraft U were in for ORD->YYZ might hv had a high-yield full pax load came in earlier not necessarily fm YYZ but, say, YVR(A popular+convenient gateway fm Asia)->ORD and then has to be re-positioned back in YYZ anyway. Then, it may not even return to ORD but fly YYZ->JFK which can be high-yield, high load. This kinda routing is more complex than many simple roundtrips fm the same hub but the fleet deployment software(There're some software games that simulate this) used has the potential to max utilization rate of each expensive jet. It's common for multi-hubs N.America majors(e.g. AC,UA,AA,NW) and it all depends on the flight op plan for your particular AC aircraft.
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Message of captain bill - Sent 28 Feb 16:12 |
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Your right FLX for I remember Com-Air The Delta Connection used to have a Saab 340 that left Miami in the morning and ended up in YYZ at night fourteen hours later after having flown about 9 or 10 different routes and three crew changes so routing to get the best possible use from an aircraft can be complex.
Some airlines will use aircraft A on the same route for a day doing four or five round trips between two airports but the following day it will not do so many take offs and landings but will still possibly fly the same hours by doing longer routes.
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Message of red robbo - Sent 02 Mar 17:23 |
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Flylinefrontier.
It's not as simple as cancelling a flight if there are no passengers booked. There may well be passengers booked on the return sector who can't simply be abandoned. Sure, the airline is probably losing money on that particular flight, but you have to take the rough with the smoth. Other days it will (hopefullY0 be very full and making lots of moey. If, at the end of a season, the bean counters decide that the route loses money, they would probably withdraw from it and use the aircraft on an alternative route, as we see so often with Ryanair. Also, there may also be crew implications, i.e. the crew on the empty sector could be finishing at the destination station, and a new crew might be there already, waiting to start their operational day. And lastly - possibly most importantly of all - is that out of busy airports where slots are in great demand (LHR being the perfect example) an airline HAS to operate a high percentage of each slot, or face losing it. I believe this was the case with the mentioned BA flight, which was actually a BMed slot each day that was used to operate a sector to Cardiff, rather than losing it!
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