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Message of jeepee - Sent 04 Oct 20:40 |
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The first aircraft I ever travelled on was back in 1967,I was 12 years old and heading for South Africa.The aircraft was a Boeing 707 stratocruiser (South African Airways) and it took us 22 hours stopping at Paris Orly,Las palmas,Luanda and finally Jo'burg.I still have a soft spot for the 707 now.
I came back to UK on Holiday in 1973 on another 707 (Combi) with Sabena Stopping over in Brussels. Our connecting flight to London was on a Sud Caravelle,what a beautiful little aircraft that was.Big ,almost tri angular windows,and being a tail jet,was very smooth and quiet.
Over the years I travelled back and forth between South Africa and UK and noticed how the time taken has dropped From 22 hours in 1973 to around 11 hours now.
I believe,back in the 60s Trek airways flew Constelations and took the London -Joburg run in two days with a stopover in Nairobi.
Any of you either flown or flown in,any of these classic birds?
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Message of speedbird9468 - Sent 05 Oct 0:33 |
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Why so many stops for a 707 I thought they had a 6000 mile plus range? Myt first flight was at the age of 10 in a Dakota at BOH it was fantastic and Ill never forget the sounds and smells of those 2 pistons droning away
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Message of captain bill - Sent 05 Oct 6:12 |
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Was the 707 ever known as Stratocruser as the Boeing Stratocruser was a 4 piston engined luxury airliner of the late 40s and 50s. I just remember them flying for B.O.A.C.
The S.A.A. 707s used to do a fuel stop at Cape Verde as due to political reasons they could not land in any black African country.
I have flown 707s (B.O.A.C. and BCal) and also the 720 when Monarch had a some. I also did a few trips on Air Canada DC-8-43 types and they were great.
I also thought the Viscount was a classic and did many trips in them again with B.E.A. or B.A. but all of the older types are to my mind classics. The Vangaurd, Britannia, 1/11 and Tristar were also great airliners as was the great workhorse of the late Sir Freddie Laker the DC-10. What a jetliner !!!! Not as refined in many ways as the L-1011 but wonderfull all the same.
An old colleague Cpt. Jimmy Logan once told me (and he was still flying at 68) that in his lifetime the three classics were STRATOCRUSER, VC-10 and L-1011 so who am I to disagree with such as Jimmy.
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Message of jeepee - Sent 05 Oct 15:01 |
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Stratocruiser I remember was just a word in Italics next to the Boeing 707 writng near the rear exits.You probably know more about which derivative of 707 it would have been in 1967.
Quite right SAA flew around the bulge of Africa due to political constraints.
Air Rhodesia (later Air Zimbabwe) Flew Viscounts around southern Africa and later aquired 2 Boeing 720 to enable them to fly internationally
There are still Quite a few DC3s knocking about in southern africa, the last ones I saw were owned byCaprivi airways but were based for a while at Lanseria (airport near Jo burg.) and there were ,if I remember rightly about 4 or 5 of them.
I have never flown on a DC3 and would love to.That is an aircraft that looks as though it belongs in the sky.
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Message of speedbird9468 - Sent 06 Oct 1:16 |
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WOW the VC 10. does the BAC1-11 and Trident enter into this catagory? The Viscount went to Jersey on one of those BAF. Also I like the Electra and of course there are still a number of varients (p3 Orion ) stiff gracing the skies.
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Message of captain bill - Sent 06 Oct 3:36 |
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Where would we stop when it comes to classics. The list seems to get longer every time we think about it. I would agree about the Trident and the Electra but also going back a bit there were the DC-4, 6 & 7 and what about the Constalation a wonderful airliner. Then there was the Ambassador which I saw in B.E.A. colours and then with Autair and Dan-Air but I also think there are a number of airliners flying today which when we are not around some of our younger brethren when they get into their 50s and 60s will be looking back on as classics. I wonder what these will be ?
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Message of speedbird9468 - Sent 06 Oct 15:32 |
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Yes absoloutley even if we take a look at the older DH models ex Dove, Heron, DH84 Dragon nowadays we have the Canadian varients but would the otter series and the Beaver come into this catagory? Also if Im not mistaken wellingotn bombers and lancasters were converted after the war. What about the Bristol Brabazon, Britania. Just had a thought cold we mention the Amstrong at whitworth Argossy. Going of subject what could we call classic airliners in lets say 50 years time?
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Message of FLX - Sent 09 Oct 10:06 |
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Since nothing fm Asia-Pacific airlines has been mentioned here(Mostly Euro+African airlines so far), I'll give it a try:
NH(All Nippon): YS-11
Late 50s design(I think), never flew in 1 but hv seen a few in Japan, all retired & sold to Asian Spirit flying Philippines domestic now.
MH(Malaysian Airline System): 707-320C
Flew once in 78 fm Penang to HKG(Old Kai Tak) trying to land in the middle of a serious typhoon. I'll never forget the roar of the JT3D low-bypass turbofans @ full throttle trying to fight the gusts seconds fm landing! Last time I flew on a 707 was in 83 on a CAAC(Predecessor of Air China) flight to Beijing.
KE(Korean Air): DC-10-30
1st flight in my life that I actually recall in 76. Just me & my mom in a nearly empty Y-class cabin flying to Seoul Kimpo. Mesmerized by wing-flexing(No composites wing structure in those days) with the huge(By 70s standard) CF6 turbofans moving up & down as we flew inside the clouds. Had 2 sets of dinner because I was very hungry and in those days, cabin attendants would be more than happy to serve U the same meal twice.
PIA(Pacific Island Aviation): Shorts 360
Flew fm Saipan to Rota, Micronesia in 98. Loudest-in-cabin airliner I've ever flown on. Even when the propellers were spinning @ full throttle upon take-off, the thing never seem to hv enough power. Fuselage cross-section is rectangular like a bus and I think any modern family minivan/people-mover are more aerodynamically efficient than a Shorts 360! Still, it recreated the flying experience of the pre-WW2 era...being in a tin can thousands of feet above ground and only a thin sheet of metal separates U fm the winds.....EXCITING!
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