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Message of shuttle6m - Sent 23 Aug 22:22 |
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As there is no longer a screeners forum I had to use the public forum.
I have noticed of late that there seems to be a reluctance to accept photos that are anything other than the normal Side View. The reason for rejection being used as Bad Cropping seems rather odd to me, if a photo is exposed correctly, the colours are good and the cropping is done in a manner that is done to show a particular part of the aircraft it should be perfectly acceptable, No where in the site photo requirements page does it state that close cropped shots are unacceptable.
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Message of Werkur737 - Sent 23 Aug 4:49 |
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Hard to answer you. I guess you mean a close up view of aircraft. Usually the photographers send close up photos but sometimes doesn't show the name of airline and its registration. So this is no way to confirm if is correct upload. I know that are in the database many photos of back, rear, forward and front view of the aircarft, difficulty to confirm the airline name and its registration. I think i can say for all screeners including you, the photographers upload the correct registration of aircraft, and the full view is also to confirm if the upload is correct pretty much.
The close up view is acceptable if shows the airline name and if we screeners, including you, can confirm the registration of the aircraft is correct and the airline name. I have all my close up photos rejected in Airfleets. If you look my photos in the database, you will not find any close up, because all of them were rejected, and i have some good close ups. My point of view is not to reject close ups, but i want to confirm the registration and the airline name. I trust on photographers, but you know, we have to confirm the photos. As you mean, i should to resend all my close ups photos, and wait to check the screeners results. I saw many photos resent after a rejection, awaiting to be screen by another photographer, and sometimes it works, i did that over and over again. As i said, i will check the registration correct and airline name.
You have many close ups photos, most of them are good. I will not lie or anything to you, i rejected some close ups from you, as bad motive or bad cropping, but always checking the full photo view, i accept some of them too. Close ups are perfectly acceptable, but sometimes i think some close ups are not good, not shows the the purely identity of the aircraft.
Maybe i will re-upload my close up photos. Feel free to reject or accept them.
My point of view in this message is not to insult you or your photos, is purely my point of view, i like your photos and usually take a look on them.
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Message of shuttle6m - Sent 23 Aug 5:06 |
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Thanks for the reply Werner.
My reasons for bringing this up is I feel that the site is rejecting many good shots on the basis of bad cropping for close up shots.
I understand fully what you say and it makes perfect sense to me, that we need to be sure the aircraft is what the photographer says it is.
My main concern is that there should be no prejudice against shots of this type.
Be assured I take absolutely no offence in what you say.
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Message of Spot planes - Sent 23 Aug 5:52 |
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I always thought you screeners have a set of rules or guidelines on what is acceptable? Yes, I have my good photos rejected for the same reasons mentioned above. Sometimes I feel only mug shots are accepted and they are of low artistic value.
Why is confirming the aircraft registration or airline is so important? One can always correct the info later.
Mug shots = prisoner photos (direct front and side views)
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Message of shuttle6m - Sent 23 Aug 6:09 |
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Screeners have to follow the same guidelines as the photographers as to what is acceptable and what is not.
When in the screening process, and I can only speak for myself, I look to accept all shots, however that is not possible for many reasons. Some photographs are simply not acceptable, the same photo can have a number of faults which then renders it almost beyond repair.
The screeners have a number of categories for rejection, these follow a set criteria and are to inform the photographer the reason for rejection and to help them remedy the problem and if it is uploaded again can be of an acceptable standard.
I agree in part with what you say, that the same front and side views can be of low asthetic value, but are excellent photos just the same.
No one has the perfect eye for a photograph and what one person admires another may not.
I am all for having a wide variety of shots uploaded, however these must like all others meet the criteria for acceptance.
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Message of Werkur737 - Sent 23 Aug 9:44 |
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Raymond,
I agree with you perfectly. You know as me we screeners have to follow a standard criteria of acceptance.
I've been watching on screening history, not you, but some screeners sometimes, i will not mention names, not inform the reason of rejection the photo, i think is wrong procedure. I try to inform the reason all the time, and think help the photographer to remedy the photo is very good, if the photo is possible.
I don't have a wide variety of close up shots, because i know some websites have rejetion for them, but sure have artistic value, so sometimes when have something written, or special sticker in aircraft fuselage, i do close up shots. I have some close up shots, and will re-upload them and see what happens.
Site criteria. We have some reasons to reject photos and sometimes i have to input other reason to reject the photos, if the menu reject isn't enough. The number of criteria of rejection i think is good, because is the standard, most of photos look like almost same, only change point of views and the airline, aircraft type. So, sure doesn't mention close up shots are unacceptable, but what about if the aircraft is not full on the photo?
i've seen many acceptance when the aircraft is not full on the photo, and some rejections for not full on the photo, just like same the close up shots. I have about 170 rejection on the site, because screeners followed the standard criteria, and some rejections was bad rejection for sure. It's okay.
Spot planes,
Artistic value. Good photos almost are the photos that shows the full aircraft. 90% of the photos in most of the sites are aircraft full on the photo, with a few exceptions some sites, will not mention these sites. Here in Airfleets is the same, full aircraft on the photo, front, back or side views. Full aircraft on the photo are excellent photos where screeners can do a good screening service not allowing errors on the site. Airfleets has the ficheapp of each aircraft, with some few exceptions, so the registration must be correct and the aircraft type also correct. Full aircraft on the photo have an artistic value. Aircraft can be taking off, landing, but has many possibilities of point of view the photo was taken. This is an artistic value, like close up shots, i think. I do close ups shots only if the aircraft has a special paint scheme, titles on the fuselage or stickers. As i said before, must has standard concerns to accept the photos.
Good photo for me is centered, good light, some sharp, correct upload (airport, registration), not grain and not blurr, and sometimes for reasons mentioned above, the close up shots, but not many times.
Werkur737 (Werner).
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Message of shuttle6m - Sent 23 Aug 10:58 |
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Werner,
I agree completely with what you say about the rejections of photos without a reason given, I feel that we have a responsibility to the photographers, and lets face it you and I are both contributors to the site, to explain as best we can as to the reason why a photogragh has been rejected.
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