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Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 0:56     All the subjects about small airports in Scotland being threatened with closure because of the low amount of airlines using the airports has made me think.I should make my own airline.I could be based in Dundee,It could fly to isle Of Man and Cork or Shannon.If you have better ideas please tell me. I also thought of names for my airline :Bee Air,Thisle Air.Please tell me your ideas oh and i was thinking of a suitable aircraft. I found a company down south (england) chartering Shorts 360 (BAC Express) which i thought might be suitable for these small airports.If i have missed out anything or if you have some ideas then please do tell me User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 1:07     WOW i am from Dundee and it would be cool to see more airliners there is it an cargo or passenger airline/ User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 1:10     Well tell me some of your ideas!!!!!! User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 1:11     it would be mostly passenger bt i would be nice to get some cargo contracts User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 1:15     some useful sites for to get Aircraft http://www.gtaviation.co.uk/-/?pn=0&pv=1 http://www.avbuyer.com/AircraftSales/AirlinerRegionalSearch.asp User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 1:24     Yes but what aircraft do i pick???????? and i also need some investors cause i have no money!!! User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 1:32     Is this useful for investors http://www.iipuk.co.uk/IIP/Web/default.htm User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 1:38     I think the LET 410UVP-E20 BUILT IN 1987 is a great choice and it said it is equipped with factory new 3000-hour TBO engines Great choice 1991 User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 1:56     You can also leasse aircraft http://www.avbuyer.com/directory/directoryResults.asp?CatId=24&SubCatId=19 User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 2:03     There is a nice Fairchild Dornier Metro III built in 1982. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 13:13     yeah that looks nice.But i need names for my airline and does anyone know what airports can take a Fairchild Dornier Metro III? User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 13:43     i have saw a metro III at Dundee airport Names i maid up tartin wings Scots Air Thislelines User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 13:53     G-Niko you say you are from Dundee,could you please find out the landing,takeoff and parking charges for larger planes like the Let 410UVP-E20 and the Fairchild Dornier Metro III at Dundee airport? User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 14:01     I am trying to find the landing, takeoff and parking charges but i found some usefull information It said thar Dundee airport is able to accept business aircraft up to the BAe RJ100. http://www.airports-worldwide.com/uk/uk_dundee.html User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 14:41     Thanks,so the metro III can go there.WOW! the BAe RJ100 is pretty big for an airport like dundee,that would be great but i would prefer to start with something smaller, these planes will be really expensive compares to the twin prop regional aircraft User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 14:42     i Like the name Tartan Wings User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 14:46     Theres a photo of a Metro at Dundee Airport http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=202080 What type of aircraft are you looking for. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 14:56     There is a few islanders for sale. http://www.controller.com/Listings/ForSale/List.asp?man=BRITTEN+NORMAN User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 15:06     The name Trtin wings is the name i use in my game called Airline6. I think it is a good name. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 15:08     it is a good name.Islanders are quite small are there any small routes these could be used for? User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 15:12     I would put them on routes to the Highlands etc Fair Isle, Barra, Benbucula, Lerwick, Kirkwall User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 15:16     Yeah but Dundee- Fair Isle wouldnt the islander have to go via say inverness and stop elsewhere on the journey?? same with lerwick and kirkwall?? User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 15:18     It will proberly need to via someware User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 15:20     What about a Jestream 31 http://www.veeneal.com/aircraft_sales.html User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 15:24     they seem ok,instead of the metro III a jet stream could do the same sorts of jobs.Would a Jetstream be able to fly in to barra and the Fair Isle? Are jetstream 31 cheaper than metro III? User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 15:29     i don't think they will be able to fly to Barra I no a DHC-6 can go to Barra User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 15:34     What type of planes are you looking for. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 15:37     well i wouldnt go for all these different planes,i would stick with just a few.It would depend how cheap i could pick the planes up for. Any luck with the takeoff,landing and parking charges? User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 15:43     No not really but i am not going to give up. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 15:57     aw thanks i saw some thing on the tayaviation site about dundee landing charges at about £9 but i thought that might just be for smaller private planes.I might drop an email to Scot Airways asking them. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 15:59     I found this business plan on the investor link you sent http://www.scottish-enterprise.com/publications/02formng.pdf User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 16:02     I was on the Tayside aviation site. Great business plan. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 16:06     there are some domains i found with tartan wings http://www.123-reg.co.uk/order_process.cgi User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 16:11     They are some available http://www.123-reg.co.uk/order_process.cgi User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 16:15     i'm not sure if .org sounds good or .co.uk imagine :tartanwings.co.uk User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 16:19     i nprefer tartanwings.co.uk User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 16:26     same here,tartan wings it is then. I'm looking into small pessenger planes to start with,there are some nice Cessna Caravans http://www.avbuyer.com/Dealers/DealerResults.asp?Id=1210 User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 16:29     I like the Cessna 208B Grand Caravan made in 1996 i think it is the oldest one but it might be the chepest. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 16:35     yes exactly what i thought! i might be able to get a grant off one of these agences supporting small scotish businesses. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 16:38     Good idea User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 16:51     Are going for the Cessna 208B Grand Caravan made in 1996 User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 16:59     Have you got any plans for your Scottish Airline. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of captain bill - Sent 17 Dec 17:24     Why dont we go all the way and have a real good domestic and international airline flying from all Scottish airports to the more popular business centres of the world. What about ROYAL CALEDONIAN AIRWAYS The types of aircraft we will use could be endless but as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of this new company I will have final say on routes and types. Well it is Christmas after all !!! User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 17:29     Good idea but i will need to wait abit because i am only 14 but i no alot about aviation. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 17:33     I could be a future pilot for the airline . When i am 15 i am taking flying lessons. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 18:42     I think its a bit early for that.we need to start on a small scale first.captain bill,the place of chief executive is already taken.And so is the top person (thats me!!!!) if you could help me and give me any advice tha would be much appreciated.You can have place as the executive captain in choosing the aircraft and stuff.Oh and we need to buy that domain thing! User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 18:50     Is there a plane that you like User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 18:55     yes, that 1996 cessna caravan.I'm goin to email benair who are selling the plane for the price. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 18:58     Excelant choice 1991 Do they have good range. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 19:00     Oh the plane is in business spec,it would need to be changed to airline spec.And the cessna is the best choise because the tay aviation has a base there and can service and carry out repairs. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 19:01     Oh do you mean maintanence. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 17 Dec 19:04     Yes,and that will save costsof traveling around to get maintenance done on the plane. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 19:12     suppose so you could get shelter for the plane because there is a few hangers. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 19:17     Do you have to pay for the delivery of the plane User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 19:26     There is a nice Fairchild Dornier Metro and its Price is: 700,000 and it is also available for lease. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 19:31     This aircraft might be useful a Partenavia P68B maid in 1978 and is only 130,000 anyway what do you think. http://www.avbuyer.com/Dealers/DealerResults.asp?Id=1206 User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of SJR - Sent 17 Dec 20:31     Interesting that someone should comment on the start-up of a new airline in scotland. I had been thinking about it myself but i can't actually do it at the moment as i am a poor student. It will probably be five to ten years before i can even thing about setting up my low fare airline. I have a name but for confidential reasons i will keep it quiet for the time being. Therefore knowbody else who may use the wisdom of this sites writers, who has money can have the name. Got two route suggestions, not sure whether it has been mentioned before. London City to Dundee? London City to Aberdeen (i saw in a magazinze that there is actually a big demand for this route) I reckon the Do328 would also be a good aircraft for more high capacity routes from Dundee. I believe ScotAirways already uses them from Dundee User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 17 Dec 20:39     The Do 328 is a good aircraft to operate from Dundee. Also Scotairways has a maintenance facility at Dundee Airport User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 18 Dec 16:36     I like the Partenavia P68B but i think we will be able to get a cessna plane for a cheaper price.also there is a route already from london-city to dundee and the whole point of this airline is to operate from dundee because here is money to be made out of dundee by creating more routes. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 18 Dec 16:39     do u relise how much a Do 328 will cost? i have no money to spend on planes so all the money will have to come from a grant or donations User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 18 Dec 19:23     Ok i see where you are coming from,but this is my airline idea and i'm not goin to let anyone steal my ideas.The airline would be based at Dundee,the runway is big enourgh for most prop planes and small jets up to the BAe RJ100. the whole point of this airline is to serve this part of scotland tha has an airport nearby but only one airline is using it.This airport serves a huge area,from parts of fife up to Aberdeen and inverness.The idea is to have flights to Isle of man and Ireland,Wick,Sumburgh,Kirkwall.if these flights are sucecessfull then other flights to mainland europe can be started.Dundee cannot be expanded but there is still a massive potential..The airline is called Tartan Wings because it is a Scottish airline.Your funding will be much appreciated and i would like you to help us start up our airline. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of SJR - Sent 18 Dec 19:43     When i mentioned the Do328 i didn't mean as a starter aircraft i meant it as a route building airliner. I mentioned the routes to London City (both from scottish airports) i ment based in Scotland. I was not aware that their was a flight from Dundee to London City. If anyone is interested my airline if started will also start on a small scale but i hope to have bigger bases from: London City Leeds Bradford Newcastle Aberdeen Manchester Birmingham Cardiff I have no idea how much a Do328 would cost as i am only eighteen and therefore have conducted no research into this. I know it would probably be quite expensive as leasing a 737 costs about £1000 an hour without fuel, crew and landing/takeoff rights. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 18 Dec 20:12     Whats hapening i am comfused!. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 18 Dec 20:43     I found a much cheaper Partenavia P68B for 69,500 the one made in 1976. http://www.avbuyer.com/AircraftSales/AircraftResults.asp?ListId=3&AircraftManufacturerId=1177&subList=1039&NumberPerPage=10 User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 18 Dec 21:00     I LIKE THAT PLANE!!!!! Right Captain bill is saying he has the contacts to get the airline up and running but he wants to be the boss until he can retire to the sun,but i wont let him steal my ideas,but i also want him to help us.he says he has a boeing 767 or something like that,bt he says he cant land that at dundee but i told him that the whole point of the airline is to operate from dundee. Oh have you found the landing,takeoff and parking charges for Dundee?? User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 18 Dec 21:05     i am still searching . I have been on so many sites but it is not telling me any information about the landing,takeoff and parking charges for Dundee, So i got mad and felt like to lift my computer and frow it out the window. Sorry. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 18 Dec 21:12     LOL i'll try emailing the airport User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 18 Dec 21:16     I went threw all that trouble and did'nt have the brains to come up with that. anyway here is the site, it might come in handay. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 18 Dec 21:17     sorry i forgot to send you the site. http://www.dundeecity.gov.uk/airport/main.htm User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 18 Dec 21:24     I have sent an email to the council,i'll tell you if they relpy User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of SJR - Sent 18 Dec 21:39     Good luck , hope it all works out. I was going to ask if the website had a contact phone number on it. If so this would probably be just as useful. If Dundee doesn't reply they have something wrong with them. I mean they have very little traffic and really could use the extra income. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 18 Dec 21:41     yes i know.but we need someone that is 18 so that they can help start the business now!!! User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of SJR - Sent 18 Dec 21:43     Being based in Scotland could be a unique selling point (become the scottish national airline) for example. Start off at Dundee, then start ops at Inverness and or Aberdeen and grow from there. I am hoping to start mine off from Leeds Bradford but my chances of ever being able to find the revenue to fund such a project may be difficult. Routes i would run are types bellow in invisible ink, hehehe User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 18 Dec 22:08     Qoute: have sent an email to the council,i'll tell you if they relpy by 1991 Thanks 1991 User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 18 Dec 22:10     if they dont reply i will phone them. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 18 Dec 22:11     OK. Good luck with the email. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of G-NIKO - Sent 18 Dec 22:18     What did you say to the council. User profil Private message Suggest deletion   Message of 1991 - Sent 18 Dec 22:37     i just asked them if they could give me the landing,takeoff and parking charges