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Message of N196UA - Sent 26 Jun 17:02 |
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This is fairly recent...
It is said to be that Boeing considering lengthening the body of the new 747-8 Intercontinental. Boeing says that lengthening the body will allow the 747 to compete better with the A380 and would prove more economic on high capicity routes.
What do you think? Comments and questions please!
-N196UA
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Message of Mas John - Sent 27 Jun 5:06 |
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Message of N196UA - Sent 27 Jun 5:27 |
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Even though it only adds 20 or so seats in the cabin it makes the new 747 only 100 seats smaller than the A380. I'm still wondering what part of the plane is being lengthened. Either the tail section or the upper deck.
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Message of Tod - Sent 10 Jul 19:24 |
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Message of fun - Sent 11 Jul 5:23 |
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If boeing increase the seat or payload capacity, then airbus is in serious trouble. Even though the aircraft is expected to come in service later than A380, Boeing will surely deliver it on time.
By the way why did airbus delay the delivery of its A380?
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Message of N196UA - Sent 11 Jul 17:00 |
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By the way why did airbus delay the delivery of its A380?
Well, this is something that everyone should know but I'll say it again.
When the A380 went up to Iqualouit, Canada (don't know if thst's spelled right) for some cold weather tests there were some issues when the plane was doing landing tests. Some of the things that happened were the airlerons were sticking and the flaps would become jammed. Also one of the thrust reversers would not deploy. So Airbus has to re-design parts of the wings. And the most recent delay in design issues is that the wiring that runs throughout the aircraft is bad because the wires come in bundles and the electric wiring and communication wiring is too close together so it causes interference with some of the communications and cocpit controls. So I wouldn't be suprised if the A380 is a huge failure.
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Message of Trevor - Sent 26 Jul 23:07 |
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N196UA - I have to admit it is amazing for someone who was not present in Iqaluit, yet several media representatives were, can come up with such statements as:-
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the airlerons were sticking and the flaps would become jammed. Also one of the thrust reversers would not deploy. So Airbus has to re-design parts of the wings.
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How odd that none of the media captured this, Airbus kept quiet about and I guess the wings had to all be redesigned in total secret under the cover of darkness. How odd considering the wings come from the U.K. that nobody noted any changes. If you research on the internet you will find countless reports on how successful the cold weather trials actually were. There are none to back up your allegations
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And the most recent delay in design issues is that the wiring that runs throughout the aircraft is bad because the wires come in bundles and the electric wiring and communication wiring is too close together so it causes interference with some of the communications and cocpit controls
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In simple terms, if you change anyone system an aircraft, chances are there might be a knock-on-effect. The changes in the A380 have been on going, they include different types of seating, different IFE systems, which in some instances effect the workable width, thus requiring moving of other parts, which in turn in some instances has meant moving the wiring and junctions boxes etc. This has all been explained by Airbus. Don't try and make this out to be a design fault. Understand it for what it is. The seats and IFE are big issues and these have changed immensely since the A380 was first on the drawing board. Lighter seats available today in all classes, which offer more comfort for the passenger, but increased range or increased cargo or both for the carrier, plus the latest IFE systems are important issues. Yes these changes have cause a delay, but think of it in terms of residual value of the aircraft, not to mention having the most technically advance aircraft on the market that out performs its originally specifications. So there will be some compensation pay outs because of the delay, but another way to look at this is that by Airbus doing what it has done, it is investing in future orders, which will come for sure.
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So I wouldn't be suprised if the A380 is a huge failure.
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Research about the fuselage failure of the composit Boeing 787. That caught Boeing off guard as they were surprised by the shear number of bubbles that weakened the structure to such an extent, it had to be scrapped. They are working to rectify this problem and hope it will not cause delay to initial deliveries as once this problem is resolved, then it has to be approved and obtain airworthiness certification. This all takes time. Now are we speculating the using an ever increasing amount of composit materials is dangerous ? The total failure of the first fuselage means the Boeing 787 Dreamliner project is a huge failure before it even gets off the ground ? Have any orders from the carriers been lost as a result of this ? The answer is of course no and likewise Airbus has not lost any orders due the delay in re routing of wiring configurations and some junction boxes.
I have predicted all along that Boeing will produce a larger passenger transport to compete more directly with the A380. It is my firm belief the ever growing market is large enough to support both. As and when this new larger Boeing comes into service, estimated 2010 - 2012, one would hope it would be slightly more technically advanced than the A380, just as the A350 will be to the B787 because that is how fast technologies are changing. Both aircraft will be commercial successes.
I hope this gives you a different perspective.
All the best, Trevor
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Message of Hanno - Sent 14 Aug 20:38 |
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Message of Skid Kid - Sent 15 Aug 1:13 |
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Are they sure that is what the companies want? I'm sure that they have sufficient data showing that this mod would benefit the program. Civil aviation isn't really my specialty but if you look at the numbers for A388 in terms of orders its less than stellar, and even worse for B748.
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